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Old 05-06-2011, 12:05 PM
 
Location: On the Beach
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I have heriditary high cholesterol. Tried to control it by going entirely vegatarian, adding the fish oil, flaxseed supplements, increasing my anerobic exercise routine, daily oatmeal, Nothing worked. Went on simvistatin, numbers came down immediately. However, over the course of a year on simvistatin I experienced increasing body aches, noticed muscle loss (not able to do the same weights at the gym) and generally feeling old and worn out. Stopped the simvistatin and began to feel better within 3 weeks! My doctor is a believer in statins and wants me to try another in a couple of months. She opines that whereas one person can be unable to tolerate one statin, they are often fine with another. That may or may not be true but, I would rather feel good now than live to be 100 so, not sure what I will do. I do believe that some folks (like myself) cannot control cholesterol and triglycerides simply with diet, exercise and supplements. I tried numerous approaches for a few years and nothing worked. But then, none of my parents, aunts or uncles have died of heart disease or stroke and, they are all in their 80s or 90s so, one has to wonder if cholesterol is really as bad as the rep it gets?
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Old 05-06-2011, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Newport, Rhode Island
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I have heriditary high cholesterol. Tried to control it by going entirely vegatarian, adding the fish oil, flaxseed supplements, increasing my anerobic exercise routine, daily oatmeal, Nothing worked. Went on simvistatin, numbers came down immediately. However, over the course of a year on simvistatin I experienced increasing body aches, noticed muscle loss (not able to do the same weights at the gym) and generally feeling old and worn out. Stopped the simvistatin and began to feel better within 3 weeks! My doctor is a believer in statins and wants me to try another in a couple of months. She opines that whereas one person can be unable to tolerate one statin, they are often fine with another. That may or may not be true but, I would rather feel good now than live to be 100 so, not sure what I will do. I do believe that some folks (like myself) cannot control cholesterol and triglycerides simply with diet, exercise and supplements. I tried numerous approaches for a few years and nothing worked. But then, none of my parents, aunts or uncles have died of heart disease or stroke and, they are all in their 80s or 90s so, one has to wonder if cholesterol is really as bad as the rep it gets?
All statin drugs do the same thing. They prevent your liver from doing it's job. Your thyroid NEEDS cholesterol to work well which is probably the reason for your loss of strength.
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Old 05-06-2011, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic east coast
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Some doctors think there's a hoax connected with the pushing of statins. If you Google the topic you'll fine interesting reading. Me? I think if you have high HDL and reasonable triglycerides, I wouldn't worry too much about the total cholesterol number--especially since your genetic history doesn't have a history of heart attacks or stroke.

Why feel lousy if it's unnecessary? I cut back on animal products (meat, cheese), except eggs, eat a balanced diet with lots of veggies and whole grains, exercise faithfully, and created rosy numbers for myself.
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Old 06-15-2011, 03:59 PM
 
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on what are you basing the idea that the hypothesis doctors use for cholesterol is incorrect, and what is your support for your alternative recommendations?
i could direct you to dozens of links, references, sites, studies, but i will spare you.

just go here and check it out.

Cholesterol and Disease — Myths and Truths

this site is run by chris masterjohn. read through his stuff. listen to his podcast about cholesterol. be skeptical, but allow diligence and discernment to balance it out.
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Old 06-16-2011, 12:23 AM
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Location: Brawndo-Thirst-Mutilator-Nation
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I believe that Statins caused a rapid decline and death of my father.

If you want to read some really horrible comments onthese great drugs, well here you go, just type in your favorite statin in the search box, really enlightening.

Ask a Patient: Medicine Ratings and Health Care Opinions
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Old 06-16-2011, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Durham UK
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Since my problems with statin drugs and I started posting my story everywhere I could find.. maybe 4 years ago, I have seen attitudes changing about these drugs. People like you are starting to question them everywhere and notice the side effects sooner. You need to go to the FDA and report your experience on them. Until enough people report, they see no problem and will keep letting them push this stuff on unsuspecting people. The FDA now has a reporting system for people like you and me. DO NOT count on your doctor to report it for you, do it yourself.

Your side effects are typical statin drug side effects right down to the vertigo. I had constant vertigo the whole time I was on them and it stopped soon as I got off of them. I NEVER associated the vertigo with statins until I quit them.

If you have had these problems already, you are should not be taking them. Forcing working out when your muscles are hurting can and will do some damage to them. Drained? I was totally unable to do anything, "0" energy at all, again, never associated that with the statin until I quit them and had so much energy that everyone who knew me asked me what I was "on". Man, I was to tired to do anything and I hardly left the house anymore.
This is not sound advice

Be warned, these drugs can and do permanent damage and will cause other problems throughout your life. I am about 4 years statin free and am suffering life long problems now because of what they did to my hormones. Cholesterol is the precursor to your hormones for males and females.
please can you provide source of your evidence for this?

It does my heart good to see these attitudes changing-lol-but a heart attack won't. More and more doctors are also beginning to see what these drugs are doing too. I never saw a doctor for so many problems in all my life as I did when I was on these drugs. Hardly see them anymore. I use supplements and diet to keep mine down and I DO have the inherited cholesterol so don't let them tell you it can't be done. I tweaked and tweaked my diet until I found what worked for me. And for the record, I do not believe in those extreemly low numbers they want these days, I try to keep mine between 240 to 250, otherwise I feel really bad and always end up at the doctors.


240-250 is still high, so you aren't managing to control it without medication even though you say you are. It should be below 200, and lower if you have other risk factors like previous stroke, heart attack, high blood pressure,smoking,family history of strokes.heart attacks under the age of 65 etc
The guidelines for cholesterol are based on years and years of medical research and they're there for a reason.
I do not believe that your cholesterol being below 240 makes you feel ill.
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Old 06-16-2011, 11:52 AM
 
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240-250 is still high, so you aren't managing to control it without medication even though you say you are. It should be below 200, and lower if you have other risk factors like previous stroke, heart attack, high blood pressure,smoking,family history of strokes.heart attacks under the age of 65 etc
The guidelines for cholesterol are based on years and years of medical research and they're there for a reason.
I do not believe that your cholesterol being below 240 makes you feel ill.

240-250 is only 'high' by standards and years of 'research' that is poisoned by faulty thinking. someone with 240 might be in trouble, but it's not necessarily because they are at 240.

total cholesterol number is almost completely ridiculous. it's a mathmatically calculated formula of hdl, trigs, ldl.

even having high ldl, the so called 'bad' cholesterol is still under heavy review by some of the most intelligent and critical thinkers in the nutrition world right now.

these numbers are all mashed up and just because 'statistics' from some study show that people with 250 TC are more prone to heart attacks doesn't mean jack squat. what did those people eat? what made up their total cholesterol? was much of it oxidized? what was their CRP levels? did they have chronic inflammation? what kind of LDL particles dominated their count?

correlation does not equal causation folks.

such a widely used cliche, but so very true.

we're dinking around with numbers that we don't even fully understand yet, giving people crazy manmade concoctions they call statins and fully interfering with a highly complex physiological process within the body that operates the way it does for a reason. understanding how the body handles "cholesterol" and blood lipids and then working with it naturally is the way to go. period.
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Old 06-20-2014, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Dalton Gardens
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I have just started a new blog about my experiences with Simvastatin. I am trying to build up a large enough database that eventually the blog becomes a main resource for others. And, I want to become a huge thorn in the side of Teva Pharmaceuticals and the billionaire George Soros, who is a controlling share holder in the company. The purpose? To force not only the pharmaceuticals, but the Supreme Court, to be responsible for the damage being caused to users of statins.

Currently the Supreme Court has ruled that pharmaceutical companies who are makers of generic drugs cannot be held liable for damages, therefore patients who have been harmed cannot sue. This is wrong and needs to be challenged.

So far my tenacity has gotten me as far as receiving contact from one of Teva's research doctors, who requested permission to review my medical records. However, this was back in October 2013 and they have since dropped the ball.

Please take the time to visit and post your story. Lets get the word out in one place instead of having to search all over the internet. Simvastatin Nightmares
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Old 06-20-2014, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I am curious what folks are taking for high cholesterol?

I was recently diagnosed and the doctor (and I) believe it is hereditary, as I eat a fairly lean diet and exercise 5-6 days a week doing at least an hour of cardio each time. There really isn't much room for improvement with my diet, so the doc put me on meds. He prescribed Simvastatin.

Right away I noticed side effects. I've had some vertigo, although that has mostly subsided now. What is really bothering me is the muscle fatigue. As I stated, I work out 5-6 day per week with at least an hour of cardio each session. Since starting this medication, I've noticed a drastic change in how my body feels while working out. Basically, I feel drained. I sweat more and it really takes much more effort to complete my workouts

I will be seeing my doc again this week and asking him to change the meds, but I don;t know if there is anything else out there that won't have these side effects.

Anyone out there taking a non-statin drug for high cholesterol. Has anyone else experienced these side effects?
I am on Simvastatin and for the most part am fine. I have been on it for years, but the doctor has cut mine way back as my Cholesterol keeps getting better and better. I have my semi annual check up in about 2 weeks, I wouldn't be surprised if they take me off it altogether. I know a lot of doctors are thinking twice about cholesterol lowering meds and the dosage.
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Old 06-20-2014, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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on what are you basing the idea that the hypothesis doctors use for cholesterol is incorrect, and what is your support for your alternative recommendations?
he is probably basing it on something he read in some far out there publication or some health plan he follows. I would not pay much attention to something like what he is saying.

Doctors do follow certain guide lines and we all know these guide lines change frequently. But for someone to suggest doctors are being trained incorrectly or suggest the cholesterol theory is bogus is based on nothing proven.
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