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Old 03-10-2010, 06:05 PM
 
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Holy crap...is that MRSA fact true?!

I read stuff like this and giggle about how viruses are the oldest living creatures. When the tough get tough, they get tougher. One could learn a lot from a virus about ultimate survival.

So true!
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Old 03-10-2010, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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I got curious (and wanted a good / understandable explanation) :


"Viruses exist in two distinct states. When not in contact with a host cell, the virus remains entirely dormant. During this time there are no internal biological activities occurring within the virus, and in essence the virus is no more than a static organic particle. In this simple, clearly non-living state viruses are referred to as 'virions'. Virions can remain in this dormant state for extended periods of time, waiting patiently to come into contact with the appropriate host. When the virion comes into contact with the appropriate host, it becomes active and is then referred to as a virus. It now displays properties typified by living organisms, such as reacting to its environment and directing its efforts toward self-replication".

Are Viruses Alive?
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Old 03-11-2010, 05:58 AM
 
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Creature - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
creature:
"1 : something created either animate or inanimate: as a : a lower animal; especially : a farm animal b : a human being c : a being of anomalous or uncertain aspect or nature <creatures of fantasy>"

Hmmm....sounds like that has virus covered.

Alive - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
alive:
1 : having life : not dead or inanimate

again..covered


Funny they are "not alive" by considerations of "most scientists; but the study of them (microbiology) means the study of biology of microscopic organisms. Organisms by definition are alive. Biology broken down means the study of life...yet all these scientists say they are "not alive"

There are various types of parasite relationships and its why I brought up the lamprey but I could see how with your limited resources that you would find that confusing
. The "definition" is: parasite:
"2 : an organism living in, with, or on another organism in parasitism
3 : something that resembles a biological parasite in dependence on something else for existence or support without making a useful or adequate return"

Thanks for that post coyote. Virions are not are not a virus anymore than an egg is a chicken. The "alive" reference was directed towards virals and not the virions.

If you don't believe the whole evo of life from the ooze thats your choice. I know its debatable. But since this is not a debate forum I will let that issue die. If you want to go pop it up on the debate forum go for it.
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Old 03-11-2010, 03:22 PM
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Location: Colorado
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This is starting to get personal. Please keep the debates within the TOS guidelines - that means no personal attacks, baiting or flaming. If this continues I'll have no choice but to close the thread.
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Old 03-11-2010, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Doesn't the passage below eloquently reconcile what you two have been wrestling with / arguing about?
I thought so but it's beyond me so i dunno.


"Viruses straddle the definition of life. They lie somewhere between supra molecular complexes and very simple biological entities. Viruses contain some of the structures and exhibit some of the activities that are common to organic life, but they are missing many of the others. In general, viruses are entirely composed of a single strand of genetic information encased within a protein capsule. Viruses lack most of the internal structure and machinery which characterize 'life', including the biosynthetic machinery that is necessary for reproduction. In order for a virus to replicate it must infect a suitable host cell".

Are Viruses Alive?
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Old 03-11-2010, 04:23 PM
 
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Doesn't the passage below eloquently reconcile what you two have been wrestling with / arguing about?
I thought so but it's beyond me so i dunno.
LOL ... heck this is better than Championship Wrestling
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Old 03-12-2010, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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It probably doesn't help that the public is constantly slathering themselves with anti-bacterial stuff either.

In our quest to keep germs away, we have inadvertently been creating these "superbugs". It's the basic theory of evolution. Living things mutate in order to survive.
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Old 03-12-2010, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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It probably doesn't help that the public is constantly slathering themselves with anti-bacterial stuff either.

In our quest to keep germs away, we have inadvertently been creating these "superbugs". It's the basic theory of evolution. Living things mutate in order to survive.
Absolutely ... that and the overuse of prescribed antibiotics and the intake of them via the livestock (dead stock?) that most folks are eating ... and eating way too much of!
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