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Old 03-20-2010, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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I did....it was nonsense
it's nonsense that human beings are spoiling their planet?
it's nonsense that your habits of consumption are far more harmful to the planet and to its inhabitants than out-door second hand smoke?
i don't think so dear.
it is you who is in denial.

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Old 03-20-2010, 04:36 PM
 
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it's nonsense that human beings are spoiling their planet?
it's nonsense that your habits of consumption are far more harmful to the planet and to its inhabitants than out-door second hand smoke?
i don't think so dear.
it is you who is in denial.
Its nonsense because it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the point of this thread

Its nonsense because you so want to move the discussion away from what the OP came here to discuss

Its nonsense because the OP didn't ask how to save the planet, just how to avoid having the air in front of his building from being fouled

No one really cares about your agenda to hijack the thread and make it about something other than smoking
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Old 03-20-2010, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Bon Temps
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Ive wondered if my husband's smoke is killing me, but my grandfather smoked for a long time and it never hurt my grandmother....so I am hoping for the best.
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Old 03-20-2010, 06:32 PM
 
Location: South FL
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There is no evidence that second-hand smoke is harmful. It is a fallacy. You are exposed to much higher levels of potential carcinogens by the exhaust fumes you breathe when driving to work.

20yrsinBranson
I'm surprised to hear this, especially from you.
Second hand smoke in fact is dangerous. There is a toxin called cadmium that is in the smoke that actually is very harmful for you.
Now, how much OP is exposed to it makes a difference, but this is not fallacy. At all.
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Old 03-20-2010, 06:36 PM
 
Location: South FL
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That's right and you keep on smoking and living in denial thinking you have the right to pollute the air others breathe.
I agree with bluedevilz.
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Old 03-20-2010, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I'm surprised to hear this, especially from you.
Second hand smoke in fact is dangerous. There is a toxin called cadmium that is in the smoke that actually is very harmful for you.
Now, how much OP is exposed to it makes a difference, but this is not fallacy. At all.
I wouldn't get too worked up about cadmium. You're likely more exposed to it from the air you breath, the soil you dig in and the water you drink than from incidental contact with cigarette smoke.

All the information on Cadmium
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Old 03-20-2010, 07:04 PM
 
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coyoteskye, has a point and is correct in that no one will see it. A main point is plastics, containing much more dangerous chems, much more and found in common water bottles people by, and ever other plastic including carpets both in homes and cars.

There is fromaldehyde in salad dress for Pete's sake, and slews of toxins in make, and on and on.

Will you live with no buring of anything? What about heating, or cars, and that cadmium is in many land fill from junk batteries and much more. This isn't a natural part either but an additive.

My Father died of double lung cancer and never smoke a butt in his life.

Then I agree in a city to just live there it is like smoking 5 packs a day, 6 i guess if you smoke.

I do have an agenda, and it is against all plastics, and anything else that makes PCB's.
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Old 03-20-2010, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Wyoming
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... in the end it all boils down to intolerance and prejudice. Smokers are the new Untermenchen, the new lower caste, and smoke-Nazi's the new bigots. It all has far less to do with health than it does self-righteousness and hypocrisy.
AMEN! I'm not a smoker (although I have smoked in the past), but "smoke-Nazis" really irk me. Yes, secondhand smoke can be a problem in some cases, and I understand and support many of the non-smoking areas, but walking past some smokers isn't life-threatening. Please folks! I'd be much more concerned with picking up an airborne virus from one of them than a little tobacco smoke.

If you're that worried about the air you breathe, you should be living on a mountain top in Wyoming and doing your traveling with an oxygen bottle.
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Old 03-20-2010, 09:36 PM
 
Location: South FL
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I wouldn't get too worked up about cadmium. You're likely more exposed to it from the air you breath, the soil you dig in and the water you drink than from incidental contact with cigarette smoke.

All the information on Cadmium
So in ADDITION to the air the OP breathes and the water she drinks, she should also be subjected to regularly and DAILY (not incidentally) breathing in second hand smoke?
People are missing a point here. Her office is a closed-in space and people are smoking and it's up in the air, THE WHOLE DAY.
I'm really really surprised by some comments made here. Some "health" advocates are showing true colors indeed.

And if you want to post a link about cadmium, start with this:

http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/d...f-cadmium.html

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Toxic over exposure occurs at very low levels. Toxic heavy metal cadmium is a known carcinogen.
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Old 03-20-2010, 09:37 PM
 
Location: South FL
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AMEN! I'm not a smoker (although I have smoked in the past), but "smoke-Nazis" really irk me. Yes, secondhand smoke can be a problem in some cases, and I understand and support many of the non-smoking areas, but walking past some smokers isn't life-threatening. Please folks! I'd be much more concerned with picking up an airborne virus from one of them than a little tobacco smoke.

If you're that worried about the air you breathe, you should be living on a mountain top in Wyoming and doing your traveling with an oxygen bottle.
I am NOT a smoke nazi, but people should NOT BE SMOKING INSIDE. Period. You wanna smoke, go outside. This is a horrible policy to have in the office.
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