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Old 06-13-2010, 07:55 PM
 
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google and such...that is not proof of anything or a legitimate source. If you substantiated your claim that slaves willingly participated in sexual escapdes with their masters, tell me how.
That was the substantiation...I said that you or anyone else could just google it and read the same articles that I did when I was researching it. Clearly you dont want to, but that is your choice.
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Old 06-13-2010, 08:18 PM
 
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That was the substantiation...I said that you or anyone else could just google it and read the same articles that I did when I was researching it. Clearly you dont want to, but that is your choice.
I did google it, and everything I saw said the slaves had no choice.
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Old 06-13-2010, 08:28 PM
 
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I think it was probably a lot of both...I know for a fact that many black women willingly had sex with their slave masters...and of course many more were raped. (often as minors)
When the man has the power of life and death and ownership.....by definition sex with his slave is rape.....she is unable to give or withhold informed consent.....just as when a guard has sex with a prisoner....it is rape.....the power discrepancy makes it impossible for the sex to be consentual. When a teacher has sex with a student it is rape.....and an adult with a child....it is rape. Of course those plantation relationships were rape.....

For it to be consentual sex the slave holder would have freed his slave and provided for her financial independance which he could not recind before seeking to engage in an intimate relationship.
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Old 06-13-2010, 08:34 PM
 
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That was the substantiation...I said that you or anyone else could just google it and read the same articles that I did when I was researching it. Clearly you dont want to, but that is your choice.
Google is not an article with references and evidence. Google is a search engine.
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Old 06-13-2010, 08:42 PM
 
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Benjamin Banneker's mother was a Welsh woman who bought a Slave a Married him
one of Morgan Freeman's ( The Actor) Ancestors was a Slave owner and his slave who lived as Husband and Wife. It was not uncommon for a White person and a Black person to have consensual relations and represent them selves as Master and Slave. If people were not prone to this behavior why so many laws against it? I had a conversation with a woman of European ancestry who family came to the US to work in the Mines. She said it was common during the depression for a white business owner or Banker to have relations with another mans wife as a condition of her employment. Take from that what you may
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Old 06-13-2010, 08:56 PM
 
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Benjamin Banneker's mother was a Welsh woman who bought a Slave a Married him
one of Morgan Freeman's ( The Actor) Ancestors was a Slave owner and his slave who lived as Husband and Wife. It was not uncommon for a White person and a Black person to have consensual relations and represent them selves as Master and Slave. If people were not prone to this behavior why so many laws against it? I had a conversation with a woman of European ancestry who family came to the US to work in the Mines. She said it was common during the depression for a white business owner or Banker to have relations with another mans wife as a condition of her employment. Take from that what you may

The slaves still had no choice. If I bought a slave, and wanted to marry him, he would have had no choice. Slavery takes away all choices. So, therefore, any relationship between owner and slave is forced.
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Old 06-13-2010, 09:24 PM
 
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I am sure many slave owners raped their "property." I would bet that black women were rapped by black and white men. I would also bet that white women were rapped by black and white men. I think penalties for rape were normally meted out against a black man raping a white woman. In fact a white woman of lower class could raise her status by accusing a black man of rape.
Kenneth Stampp's ground breaking book, "The Peculiar Institution" deals with how slaves lived in perpetual resistance to these kinds of norms and how that resistance is the foundation of African American culture
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Old 06-13-2010, 10:17 PM
 
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I don't see why it is so hard to believe that some black women from 145, 200, 225 plus years ago could have been attracted to a white man who happened to own slaves and they had sexual relations. I have read that some slave owners were very nice to their slaves. If these slave families grew up in a place where the slave owner treated them well, it makes sense to think they might be attracted to them. Of course there was rape, but to think it was all rape in every case is probably not accurate.

I have also read that there were slave owners that got slaves pregnant and had children with slaves so much so that every slave on his plantation was related to him. Is this one of the reasons why so many blacks in America are not 100 percent African? What are other reasons? How could this happen?
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Old 06-13-2010, 10:33 PM
 
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Who have you heard all this information from? No one is alive today who was a slave or owned slaves? Also, some people are very nice to their dogs, but they still own them. Would you like to be owned and have no freedom? Would you like to not be able to even choose who you wanted to marry or have sex with, where you could live, what you could wear, etc. etc.? I don't think anyone would choose to be a slave. Also, if you cannot fathom the fact that a slave would not be able to tell her/his master no, then you need to research slavery. I know if I had been a slave I would have tried repeatedly to escape until I was killed or made it. There is no way I would have lived under someone else's control.
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Old 06-13-2010, 10:37 PM
 
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I did google it, and everything I saw said the slaves had no choice.
Ok..fair enough...thanks for taking the time to google it smel...here are a few of the articles Ive found.

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Black women were forced and often willing participants in relationships with White men. Historically then, these relationships were experiences of rape. The Black man has no legitimate history of raping White women. Thus his relationships with White women for whatever reason other than lust were consensual.
white men and black women in slave days « Abagond
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