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Old 06-13-2010, 10:53 PM
 
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Who have you heard all this information from? No one is alive today who was a slave or owned slaves? Also, some people are very nice to their dogs, but they still own them. Would you like to be owned and have no freedom? Would you like to not be able to even choose who you wanted to marry or have sex with, where you could live, what you could wear, etc. etc.? I don't think anyone would choose to be a slave. Also, if you cannot fathom the fact that a slave would not be able to tell her/his master no, then you need to research slavery. I know if I had been a slave I would have tried repeatedly to escape until I was killed or made it. There is no way I would have lived under someone else's control.

I have read in books about these things but was hoping to get more input from someone who knows more on the subject.

From what I have read, slaves were born into this kind of world and many could not think in another way because this is all they knew. So to many slaves, it did not seem as harsh at the time as what it sounds like to a modern person.

If there were slave owners and familes of slave owners that were actual blood relatives of the slaves, it is not unrealistic to believe that there were cases where slaves were not treated bad on certain farms or plantations. If these people all lived on the same peice of land and were all related, it would make sense that over generations, the same family living there would all do what needs to be done and have their own jobs. Of course not all situations were like this, but some were. I have read this in books.
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Old 06-13-2010, 10:56 PM
 
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I read your sources, and they still do not prove that slaves willingly had sexual relationships with their masters. Would you have told your master no? Is it willing just because you did not fight? No, the master had power over the slave. He had absolute power, and no slave would have told their master no.
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Old 06-13-2010, 11:10 PM
 
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I read your sources, and they still do not prove that slaves willingly had sexual relationships with their masters. Would you have told your master no? Is it willing just because you did not fight? No, the master had power over the slave. He had absolute power, and no slave would have told their master no.
All I can do is present the sources that substantiate my statements...as I said earlier, if you choose to disagree with them, then that is a separate issue.

Regarding the slaves who would have told their masters no...several did. Ive read stories of slave women beating the sh*t out of their assailants/slave masters...they got whipped for it later, but they definitely said no.
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Old 06-14-2010, 02:36 AM
 
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Early slave owners and slaves actually lived in the same house, ate at the same table, and were basically treated like indentured servants. It wasn't until the 18th century that the plantation system became large enough and society developed enough to truly stratify things and become ever more abusive.
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Old 06-14-2010, 06:41 AM
 
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I am from Alabama and have lived in the South all of my life, and I am white. I know that slavery was wrong, and in any shape or form would be considered unacceptable today. You can claim that there were kind slave holders that treated their slaves well all that you want to. It was still ownership, and people owning other people was not right then just as it is not right today. If you have found books that make slavery sound like some kind of big, happy family, you need to do some more research.
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Old 06-14-2010, 08:53 AM
 
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That was the substantiation...I said that you or anyone else could just google it and read the same articles that I did when I was researching it. Clearly you dont want to, but that is your choice.
Come back when you have a source you are willing to stand behind.
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Old 06-14-2010, 09:41 AM
 
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Blacks also owned black slaves in US history:

Black Slave Owners Civil War Article by Robert M Grooms
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Old 06-14-2010, 09:49 AM
 
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William Ellison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is an example of a slave that was not treated bad by his owner and was taught many skills. His owner later freed him and the former slave later became South Carolina's largest negro owner and trader of slaves.
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Old 06-14-2010, 10:22 AM
 
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Come back when you have a source you are willing to stand behind.
Come back when you can read the content within the source I posted that clearly states that some black women were willing participants in sexual relationships with slaveholders..
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Old 06-14-2010, 10:44 AM
 
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Come back when you can read the content within the source I posted that clearly states that some black women were willing participants in sexual relationships with slaveholders..
Would you be willing to be a slave just because you might be owned by a "kind owner" or an owner you find attractive? If everything in your life depended on your relationship with a slaveholder, you might appear to be a willing participant even though it would not be your first choice. Why is this important anyway? Does it make some people feel better about the institution of slavery to imagine that it was in some way good or beneficial for the slave?
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