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Old 08-18-2010, 08:07 PM
 
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I saw "the Roman great wall" you didn't see?

 
Old 08-20-2010, 05:58 AM
 
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The Roman Chinese wall constructed by Tamerlan Zhukov in the year 376 before Chomolwksy. The mongols were related with Mongoltfier and they had a very large army of hot air balloons. Mikael Mortzokov wrote that the flying army of mongols, related with Egyptians, flew over Roman Walls in the year 5654 of the Kigokion era.

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Old 08-20-2010, 06:21 AM
 
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What? I saw the Roman wall on the TV.
This historical program was made by the "western" researchers.
 
Old 08-20-2010, 06:44 AM
 
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I think one of history's more interesting questions is what would have happened if Rome had stopped trying to expand and defend its borders and instead did what China latter would do - take prisoners and instead build a huge wall to keep them out.

Is it possible that the Roman Empire could have remained in tact much longer - maybe another 500 years - if it had done that?
My question to you is this: where do you envision such a wall? The Romans certainly couldn't have built a wall encircling their whole empire; the only place such a thing might have been feasible was somewhere across the Italian peninsula...which doesn't make for much of an empire.

If you want to speculate, suppose Rome had adopted a different mindset. Rather than conquering other peoples and treating them accordingly, wouldn't it have been fascinating if they'd come up with a democratic approach and tried to integrate them into one gigantic nation-state? That might've extended their sovereignty somewhat!
 
Old 09-11-2010, 08:12 AM
 
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Interesting in that there was a large (1000 km/650 miles) system of fortification walls in Ukraine called the ''Serpent's Wall fortifications'' built sometime between 200 B.C. and 600 A.D. although archeaologists aren't 100% sure who built them although the Sarmatians, Slavs and the Goths are leading contenders for constructing them possibly against the Scythians or the Huns etc. I haven't found anything about the Byzantines (Eastern Roman Empire) constructing them.

Serpent's Wall - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Old 09-13-2010, 05:11 AM
 
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I think one of history's more interesting questions is what would have happened if Rome had stopped trying to expand and defend its borders and instead did what China latter would do - take prisoners and instead build a huge wall to keep them out.

Is it possible that the Roman Empire could have remained in tact much longer - maybe another 500 years - if it had done that?

Rome stopped trying to expand well before it's fall and had a vast network of forts for defense. That was part of the problem....Rome's army was too large and took up something like 80 percent of the tax base. Some areas were quite peaceful and still maintained legions....other areas had too many such as Britain because rome did a half measured job of conquest that forced the deployment of more. That along with constant coups are really what drained the empire allowing the barbarians to sweep through.
 
Old 09-13-2010, 05:46 PM
 
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Paint...and empires cannot be spread too thin.
 
Old 09-18-2010, 05:53 AM
 
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Rome was a predatory empire that lived off conquests and squeezing eastern provinces. Once conquests stopped, the empire was not able to sustain itself due to the low demographics of the Western Roman Empire.

The Western Roman Empire was too large and almost empty of people, so it couldn't sustain a large army along their long borders.

If the Western Roman Empire have had the demographics of the Eastern Roman Empire, it would have survived.

It must be taken into account that most inhabitants of the Western Roman Empire were semi-civilized, not like the Eastern Roman Empire that was just the sucessor of the Hellenistic Empire.
 
Old 09-19-2010, 07:02 PM
 
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Modern historians don't believe that the barbarians (which include Persians and Asian tribes not just Germanic ones) were the key agent in the fall of the empire. Disunity, a loss of legitimacy of imperial officials, population decline, slavery, a collapsing economy, plague, and many other factors were more immportant.

Many of the barbarians were recruited to come inside the wall.
 
Old 09-20-2010, 12:54 PM
 
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Modern historians don't believe that the barbarians (which include Persians and Asian tribes not just Germanic ones) were the key agent in the fall of the empire. Disunity, a loss of legitimacy of imperial officials, population decline, slavery, a collapsing economy, plague, and many other factors were more immportant.

Many of the barbarians were recruited to come inside the wall.
The term "modern historian" sounds like an oxy-moron.
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