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Old 08-13-2010, 05:40 PM
 
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Bascailly Hitler made his first mistake in starting the war...
Period.
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Old 08-13-2010, 05:58 PM
 
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They didn't do it. They lost.
No enough Germans.
But as usual, Germans were on the brink of victory.
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Old 08-13-2010, 06:02 PM
 
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This explains it pretty well; the Germans had help from conquered peoples in Eastern Europe, and of course, Italy was on their side for the bulk of the war.

Germany's biggest mistake was attacking Russia, obviously. One can only imagine what kind of force would have been facing the Allies as they approached D-Day if the Germans hadn't been fighting on the Eastern Front.

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When my Great-Uncle was returning from the Eastern Front to Spain (División Azul), he got notice of Italian involvement in Russia...he said, "the war is lost".
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Old 08-13-2010, 06:04 PM
 
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Bascailly Hitler made his first mistake in starting the war four years earler than plan which left his navy complete unprepared. He misjusgded the french and british. He alos did not contemplate the ari defense whcih was britains only real success early i teh war.Actaully lookig at europe its was bascailly destroyed and bankrupt; both winners and losers before the war even ended.looking at just troop growth and massive prodcutio figures the war was bascailly over when the USA got into the war.A example was that by the end of the war the USA had more ships than all other navies in the world combined just the pacfic war. Its air plae prodcution was like 80,000 just for the pacific.It never saw fit to even prodcuce the super fortress for the european war.
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Not really. If Hitler would have had a sound mind, he would have won the war.
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Old 08-17-2010, 09:21 AM
 
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Bascailly Hitler made his first mistake in starting the war four years earler than plan which left his navy complete unprepared. He misjusgded the french and british. He alos did not contemplate the ari defense whcih was britains only real success early i teh war.Actaully lookig at europe its was bascailly destroyed and bankrupt; both winners and losers before the war even ended.looking at just troop growth and massive prodcutio figures the war was bascailly over when the USA got into the war.A example was that by the end of the war the USA had more ships than all other navies in the world combined just the pacfic war. Its air plae prodcution was like 80,000 just for the pacific.It never saw fit to even prodcuce the super fortress for the european war.
Yeah. They were building a destroyer PER DAY on the west coast and by wars end had something like 2 dozen full size aircraft carriers plus dozens of aux and excort carriers on top of that....staggering numbers.
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Old 08-17-2010, 05:26 PM
 
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Does anybody think that Hitler may have been better off if he didn't kill as many unwanted people (jews, russians) and instead used them to help win the war?

Than again, Russia was nearly impossible to conquer. If Hitler took Moscow, the russians would have probably moved shop east, since industry remained out of Hitler's control (urals, Stalingrand).
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Old 08-19-2010, 07:37 AM
 
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Does anybody think that Hitler may have been better off if he didn't kill as many unwanted people (jews, russians) and instead used them to help win the war?

Than again, Russia was nearly impossible to conquer. If Hitler took Moscow, the russians would have probably moved shop east, since industry remained out of Hitler's control (urals, Stalingrand).

I reckon it stiffened resolve when the Russians saw that torture and annilation were on the agenda rather than standard occupation.

The Russians did move a lot of industry east.
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Old 08-21-2010, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Finally escaped The People's Republic of California
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I mean how did they have enough people to fight on all fronts and to do what they did? What was the population, like 40 million at the time?
Well quite frankly, they whiped alot of smaller countries, countries that had very limited armed forces.
The British weren't serious enough until the Battle of Britian.
The French, well thier French, they thought thier Maginout Line was something special, and it might have been several decades earlier..
When the Germans faced an enemy that was ready, they actually didn't fare to well: The British in the Battle of Britian or the Russians after Stalingrad.
You have to remember that the only countries ready to start the war were Germany and Japan, the Brits and french were in denial, everyone else wasn't in a war footing.
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Old 08-21-2010, 11:36 AM
 
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Beer...lots and lots of beer, makes lotsa babies
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Old 08-21-2010, 01:00 PM
 
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Does anybody think that Hitler may have been better off if he didn't kill as many unwanted people (jews, russians) and instead used them to help win the war?

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Hitler did use them to win the war, that is what the slave labor camps were all about. He also economized in a cruel manner by treating his slave labor force as an expendable, renewal resource. By not spending the money to provide them with sufficient food, adequate shelter, basic sanitation or any sort of medical attention, Hitler had the cheapest possible source of labor that could be found.

When those who were abused in this manner died, they brought in another trainload to replace them, and they in turn would be worked to death.

Such a system is predicated upon achieving your goals before finally exhausting everyone available to exploit in the above manner. Of course what did happen was that the Nazis were defeated before they had to face that problem.

Hitler got the maximum benefits from his slave labor force at the lowest cost. If the Nazis had not followed the course that they did, if they had taken steps to treat the labor force decently and tried to keep them alive and healthy, it would have cost the Third Reich a great deal of money.

So, the answer is no, the Nazis did not lose the war due to their policies of extermination, because extermination typically followed exploitation. Their cruelty and inhumanity came with an economic efficiency.
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