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Stalin's western allies prevented German liberation of communist Russia.
That is not correct, the Germans did not come as liberators, they came as alternative oppressors. I do not think that I would be welcoming liberators if I was aware that by State doctrine, I was classed by them as sub human and unworthy of any status other than slave of the Third Reich.
Perhaps that represents your concept of liberation. If so then we can say that Europeans came and liberated the natives of America from their culturally backward ways. The 18th Century slave ships came and liberated the African natives from their captivity by African slave sellers.
That is not correct, the Germans did not come as liberators, they came as alternative oppressors.
Hitler hated communism.
The millions of Russians living in exile in Europe... including Germany...
had more reason than the Germans to hate the antichrist communists
who destroyed Holy Mother Russia.
I have given a 1942 quote from the head of the Russian Orthodox church
in exile which represents the mindset of Russian Christians who looked
upon the German offensive into communist Russia as liberation.
" The day that it (the Russian people) has been waiting for has come, and it is now truly rising from the dead in those places where the courageous German sword has succeeded in severing its fetters… Both ancient Kiev, and much-suffering Smolensk and Pskov are radiantly celebrating their deliverance as if from the depths of hell. The liberated part of the Russian people everywhere has already begun to chant: `Christ is risen!'"
Quote from ROCOR [the Russian Orthodox Church in exile] Metropolitan Anastasy's 1942 paschal epistle
Twice you have responded using a post of mine as your starting point, and in neither case can I see how your response relates in any reasonable manner to the points I raised. I wonder if you are having comprehension problems.
Post away, but leave me out of it if your post is not addressing/refuting some idea I have advanced, okay?
My point was that the Nazis were not liberators, not any more than a thief who steals the item which another thief has stolen from you is your redeemer.
If you have some counter argument, or evidence which suggests that the Nazi intention was to topple socialism and then leave the Russians free to form their own new government, then provide it. Then you could argue that the Nazis were liberators. If you have no such argument or evidence, which I'm guessing that you do not, then you have no valid reason for quoting me in your posts which fail to address my points.
Twice you have responded using a post of mine as your starting point, and in neither case can I see how your response relates in any reasonable manner to the points I raised. I wonder if you are having comprehension problems.
Post away, but leave me out of it if your post is not addressing/refuting some idea I have advanced, okay?
My point was that the Nazis were not liberators, not any more than a thief who steals the item which another thief has stolen from you is your redeemer.
If you have some counter argument, or evidence which suggests that the Nazi intention was to topple socialism and then leave the Russians free to form their own new government, then provide it. Then you could argue that the Nazis were liberators. If you have no such argument or evidence, which I'm guessing that you do not, then you have no valid reason for quoting me in your posts which fail to address my points.
Understand?
As I have posted and provided information to confirm...
Russian Christians saw the German Christians as liberators
from the antichrist communists.
If you don't believe that, fine... but don't attack me personally.
As I posted...
Hitler gave money for the White Russians living in exile in Germany
to build a Russian Orthodox Church in Berlin.
Hitler entertained the idea to restore the Romanov monarchy.
There are many reasons White Russians preferred Hitler over Stalin.
Too bad these little known facts don't fit into your world view.
As I have posted and provided information to confirm...
Russian Christians saw the German Christians as liberators
from the antichrist communists.
If you don't believe that, fine... but don't attack me personally.
As I posted...
Hitler gave money for the White Russians living in exile in Germany
to build a Russian Orthodox Church in Berlin.
Hitler entertained the idea to restore the Romanov monarchy.
There are many reasons White Russians preferred Hitler over Stalin.
Too bad these little known facts don't fit into your world view.
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I'm looking, but I do not see anything in your above post which explains how the Nazis could be interpreted as "liberating" the Russians.
Apparently I was correct and you have comprehension difficulties, it certainly seemed easy enough for you to understand, yet there is no indication that you did.
Is it the word "liberate" which you do not understand?
Quote:
lib·er·ate /ˈlɪbəˌreɪt/ Show Spelled[lib-uh-reyt] Show IPA
–verb (used with object), -at·ed, -at·ing.
1. to set free, as from imprisonment or bondage.
2. to free (a nation or area) from control by a foreign or oppressive government.
3. to free (a group or individual) from social or economic constraints or discrimination, esp. arising from traditional role expectations or bias.
4. to disengage; set free from combination, as a gas.
5. Slang . to steal or take over illegally: The soldiers liberated a consignment of cigarettes.
"to set free"....get it? Were the Nazis intent on setting the citizens of the Soviet Union free, or were they intent on enslaving them under new management? If the latter, then by definition, they were not liberators, were they? That some Soviet citizens mistakenly believed that they had come to liberate them, doesn't make the Nazis liberators. Those citizens wound up getting an education on their flawed expectations. I'm trying to provide you with an education to overcome your flawed reasoning abilities.
Earlier you established that you did not understand the meaning of "containment."
Quote:
con·tain·ment /kənˈteɪnmənt/ Show Spelled[kuhn-teyn-muhnt] Show IPA
–noun
1. the act or condition of containing.
2. an act or policy of restricting the territorial growth or ideological influence of another, esp. a hostile nation.
3. (in a nuclear power plant) an enclosure completely surrounding a nuclear reactor, designed to prevent the release of radioactive material in the event of an accident.
I believe that the above discharges my obligations to try and liberate you from your misunderstandings. Of course in this case, such liberation will require the cooperation of the person being aided, and I suspect that you will not have the good sense to take advantage.
Last edited by Grandstander; 08-16-2010 at 01:46 PM..
Those who understand the concept of the "Third Rome"
know that Russia's Tsar is crucial to Russian Orthodoxy.
In the past two decades the west has seen Russia rebuild its churches
and reinstate Russian Orthodoxy as the [unofficial] religion of Russia.
But know this...
There can not be a true resurrection of Holy Mother Russia without a
corresponding restoration of the Russian Monarchy.
The idea that Hitler would destroy antichrist communism and restore
the Christian Russian monarchy was crucial to Russian Christians.
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