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Old 08-24-2010, 11:49 PM
 
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I'll take it more seriously when it is printed in something other than the Telegraph. The Telegraph is one of those UK "newspapers" that is better cut into strips, twisted onto a roller and placed in the holder beside your toilet.
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Old 08-25-2010, 04:10 AM
 
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It has been known for decades (including during WW2) that Hitler's grandfather was Jewish.
Who Hitler's grandfather was has never been known, so to say with certainty he was Jewish can in no way be substantiated. The allegation that Hitler had a Jewish grandfather gained widespread attention after Hans Frank, former Nazi Party attorney and Governor-General of Poland, made the claim during the Nuremberg Trials. Frank claimed that he undertook an investigation in 1930 and discovered that Hitler's grandmother, Maria Shickelgruber, at one time resided in the town of Graz and was employed by a Jewish family named Frankenberger. Frank stated he believed the Frankenberger's nineteen year old son was the father of Hitler's father, Alois.

However, historians, and even Simon Wiesenthal himself, investigated Frank's story and uncovered some interesting facts. To start, they could find no evidence that Maria Schickelgruber had ever lived in or even visited Graz. Further digging revealed no record of a Jewish family named Frankenberger having ever resided in Graz either. Now some might say such documentation was likely destroyed to cover up the truth about Hitler's Jewish lineage. Unfortunately, such an idea runs up against a historical fact that cannot be disputed; all Jews had been expelled from Graz in the 15th Century and were not allowed to return to the town again until the late 1850's. Hitler's father, Alois, was born in 1837, so just the timeline alone seems to pretty much rule out the chances of Alois Hitler being fathered by a Jew.

Keep in mind also that alleging someone was Jewish was one of the most popular means employed by people to undermine their rivals within the Nazi Party structure. Reinhard Heydrich faced similar claims of being Jewish throughout his life. Those who despised him routinely referred to him as "Jew Boy Heydrich" behind his back. Much of it seems to be related directly to Heydrich's father, Bruno, and the fact that Bruno Heydrich's real last name was "Suss". Suss was a common Jewish last name in Germany. Yet beyond the name, there was no evidence of Jewish ancestry in either of Reinhard Heydrich's parents. But the suspicion was never erased.

It is likely that many within the Nazi Party, Hitler included, had among the branches of their family tree an individual or individuals who had some Jewish blood. But claiming that Hitler had a direct blood relative who was in fact a Jew, simply doesn't hold water.

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Old 08-25-2010, 07:12 AM
 
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Maybe he is, or maybe not. Scientifific tests for these issues, it's important to state, are inconclusive because it can't determine if you have "jewish blood", or "negro blood". There are no scientific tests in the world that can determine a persons race. Why? Because race and ethnicity is not a scientific concept, it's a socio-political concept. One can simply indicate if he has physical traits associated with another group from another region.

I understand the irony of determining Hitler is part jew (scientifically accurate or not). But I also see the underlying irony in any attempts to make the distincition -The statement "Hitler was a Jew" plays into the same master-race division concept that Nazi Germany was promoting, that is - that a given race is more or less superior than another race...or even that one race, raised side by side, will be different from another race or ethnicity.

Forget race, it's irrelevant. I myself have a morbid curiousity to see if the rumours of him having one testicle were true or not.
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Old 08-25-2010, 08:30 AM
 
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Upcoming discoveries will include learning that Custer was an Indian, Attila was a Roman, Wellington was a Frenchman and Hirohito was actually born in Kansas.
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Old 08-25-2010, 08:49 AM
 
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"because he quoted some statistics?"


I've read its an urban legend..and then I've read the hatred ties into the families history.

Iran: Hitler was a Jew - Israel News, Ynetnews

Was Hitler a Jew? - Latest Current-affairs News (http://www.in.com/news/current-affairs/was-hitler-a-jew-15171555-888af03d422d63f15b36020d5f1f01c0ddde8872-.html - broken link)
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:51 AM
 
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Even if the Telegraph got every detail right, the headline of this thread is still wrong. Mainly because Judaism is a religion and not an ethnicity. Adolf Hitler, whatever his genetic background, was definitely not Jewish.
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:59 AM
 
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Although history may always be rewritten, it will never change.
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Old 08-25-2010, 10:31 AM
 
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Even if the Telegraph got every detail right, the headline of this thread is still wrong. Mainly because Judaism is a religion and not an ethnicity. Adolf Hitler, whatever his genetic background, was definitely not Jewish.
You can be Jewish and not follow Judaism. Being Jewish in fact is part of an ethnicity. It's 2 different things, but that's off topic.

In a long run, it doesn't matter whether or not Hitler was a Jew. One thing for sure, he was a monster.
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Old 08-25-2010, 10:40 AM
 
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Yep;which is the important thing to rememeber. Its also important to rememeber that many europeans co-opertated with the nazi's in pursecuting the jews and many of the eastern europeans on the basis that they were inferior races.
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Old 08-25-2010, 08:18 PM
 
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Who Hitler's grandfather was has never been known, so to say with certainty he was Jewish can in no way be substantiated. ......family tree an individual or individuals who had some Jewish blood. But claiming that Hitler had a direct blood relative who was in fact a Jew, simply doesn't hold water.
Interesting...I didn't know. Do you have a reference to a history text that I can read on that topic? Thanks for your learned post.
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