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The ones I know most about, and studied about in college, are no longer around in their original form - the Anasazi. They lived in cliff dwellings and grew corn, beans, and squash on terraces irrigated by check-dams. How am I doing so far?
Let me educate you a little bit. There was no such thing as an Iroquois Indian and you will note that when you read this particular item that there was an Iroquois nation that was made up of different tribes. Please take the time to read this and be educated.
I appreciate the information, but am usually less than enthusiastic about opening any links when accompanied by condescension. And I didnt call any Iroquois anything.
I'm sorry, I'll need you to be more specific. Thanks.
The American Indians of the Plains were nearly exterminated by the near-extermination of the Buffalo, upon which they depended for nearly everything. It was a deliberate campaign.
The American Indians of the Plains were nearly exterminated by the near-extermination of the Buffalo, upon which they depended for nearly everything. It was a deliberate campaign.
It was economic incentive that destroyed the buffalo not a government campaign. But certainly their destruction was fortuitous for The United States.
Nor did the destruction of the buffalo nearly exterminate the Plains Indians: it made them dependant on American government goods and rations and thus easier to conquer; that was not extermination.
I appreciate the information, but am usually less than enthusiastic about opening any links when accompanied by condescension. And I didnt call any Iroquois anything.
I'm sorry, I'll need you to be more specific. Thanks.
It is a document that's been in existence for almost 600 years, a document that the Constitution of the United States was modeled on which shows that the Iroquois Nation was far more advanced in their governing as a democracy long before any others and it still exists to this day. Now the Tsalagi (Cherokee) people are by far one of the more advanced Native Nation of its kind but it wasn't the only one of its kind. If it seems that I am being condescending, I do apologize for that, that is not my purpose for posting that link or for the words that I have spoken, I merely wish to educate.osay
My issue with your post was, and is, an apparent attempt to rank the Cherokee as "the most" -- of anything. Once again, I am not saying anything against the Cherokee, because they are a fine people.
There were many Indian Nations that quickly and willingly adopted Western European ways. In fact, the term The Five Civilized Tribes was coined by Western Europeans. The five are, in alphabetical order of their Western European names, the Chickasaw, the Cherokee, the Choctaw, the Creek and the Seminole.
Also, this Wikipedia article errs in attributing the term "Trail of Tears" to the Choctaw. It was coined by Whites who observed what the Choctaw were forced to endure, and the tears were those of the whites.
For more information, may I suggest what is probably the most thorough and well-documented history of The Removal? The book is Indian Removal by Grant Foresman, first published in 1932 by the University of Oklahoma Press.
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Once again, nothing I have written should be considered as negative comments against the Cherokee. They are a fine people. They are just not the only fine people!
When I said the Cherokee nation "was most advanced" I said from an Anglo Saxon point of view. That point of view was fundamentally flawed anyway, allowing both the destruction of Native Americans and the bondage of African Americans.
If the destruction of 'foreign' peoples and holding people in bondage are the qualifications for a flawed society, you would be hard pressed to find an indigenous society in the Americas that wasn't flawed. The main difference is that the Anglo-Saxon tribe had a technological advantage and wrote down all their deeds, good and bad. That makes it easy to point fingers.
For instance, had the English and French not settled the Northeast and Eastern Canada until 100 years later, they might have not encountered any Algonquin tribes at all as the Iroquois were engaged in a wide-scale ethnic cleansing of the region and had already settled most of the interior northeast.
Similarly, the southern Plains tribes were on the verge of enacting a similar campaign against the Puebloans. Had they not received to support of the Spanish who converted them to Catholicism and armed them, then the 'Anasazi' really would have disappeared.
That is not to give the European settlers too much credit (obviously!) but people have to realize that the Americas were a populated land of competing political and cultural entities that were in the same sort of dynamic flux that we see in European, Asian, and African history. They were people, not some place markers for an imaginary Utopian Eden of the European fantasy.
It is a document that's been in existence for almost 600 years, a document that the Constitution of the United States was modeled on which shows that the Iroquois Nation was far more advanced in their governing as a democracy long before any others and it still exists to this day.
How heartening to know that the Iroquois decision to exterminate the Hurons, Eries and Neutrals and to start the Beaver Wars was arrived at in a democratic fashion.
I'm thinking the framers of the Constitution had democratic Athens and the Roman and later European republics more on their minds than they had the Iroquois.
It is a document that's been in existence for almost 600 years, a document that the Constitution of the United States was modeled on which shows that the Iroquois Nation was far more advanced in their governing as a democracy long before any others and it still exists to this day. Now the Tsalagi (Cherokee) people are by far one of the more advanced Native Nation of its kind but it wasn't the only one of its kind. If it seems that I am being condescending, I do apologize for that, that is not my purpose for posting that link or for the words that I have spoken, I merely wish to educate.osay
Cool, I will definitely check it out, thanks
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