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Originally Posted by GreyKarast
With regard to the Kursk he was torpedoed by a torpedo with an American submarine. I have a relative on it served and was at her to leave. The official version of a complete nonsense, it was the policy (and Putin Covered together with the American President this incident.) Immediately after the catastrophe arrived Your Director of The CIA in Moscow (it is the first fact He came to agree) the second fact is the interest of America to torpedo a Flurry of it is on the Kursk should be show China (and then sell them) America was not profitable, because if China has a new super torpedo has no analogues in the world, then America will lose dominance in the The Pacific ocean. 3 fact. The first compartment cut off under the water to the people had no issues. 4 in the Body of the vessel remained all exactly(though sawing part of) a clear trace of the American torpedo (hole which makes it one of the types of American missiles. 5 then they show on national geographic's complete nonsense. The reason why I know these boats and we have such a boat and no problems. And I know the device of these boats (the one that was shown on this channel is nonsense there is shown the device boats of world war 2. This crew Was When the Kamchatka. It was all a political game, in which the Americans do not stand nerves. There are a true French film about the Kursk. Have you it is Forbidden to His and we Have banned. There irrefutable facts
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No, they are actually pretty refutable. There are at least two other versions propagated by conspiracy theorists on what happened to the Kursk...
Theory 1: Is pretty much what you stated. The Chinese wanted to buy VA-111 Shkval torpedos (fastest torpedos in the world) and two Chinese admirals were present at the fleet exercise where dummy torpedos were to be fired by
Kursk at the battlecruiser
Peter the Great. Since the Shkval's use a volatile mix of 1.5 tonnes of peroxide and kerosene, there were concerns over "accidents" related to them (NATO attempted to develop these types of torpedos in the 1950's, but abandoned them when a British submarine sank in similar circumstance to the official story of Kursk). To make sure the "accident" happened, a US Los Angeles class sub, either the
Memphis or
Toledo fired a Mk48 torpedo at the Kursk and sunk it.
This event was later covered up by the US and Russian governments. The US forgave Russian debt, Putin buried the real cause of the accident and the one part you missed is that Putin pardoned the US spy Edumnd Pope who had been caught stealing research on the Shkval torpedos.
What is often missing from this "theory" is that the Chinese went on to buy Shkval torpedos anyway and they are also owned by many other world navies. The Russians refuse to export the most advanced models, instead selling a stripped down "dumber" version to other world navies. Seems like a lot to go through to attempt to make the Chinese not buy a torpedo considering they are buying entire fleets of Russian subs.
Theory 2: This can really be split into two parts and is the theory more commonly cited.
A: The
Memphis and
Toledo were shadowing the exercise when the
Toledo accidentally bumped into the
Kursk. The resulting bump set off an explosion in the forward torpedo room that sank
Kursk. The damaged
Toledo then made it's way to the naval base at Haakonsvern Norway for emergency repairs before heading to Southampton in Britain where more extensive repairs were conducted. (***This theory is the one put forward in the French documentary that was cited by the poster, not the theory of American's torpedoing the
Kursk.)
B: Same as above, but after
Toledo bumps
Kursk and begins to withdrawal covered by
Memphis; Memphis detects
Kursk opening her torpedo doors. Fearing that
Kursk was preparing to fire on
Toledo,
Memphis fires on
Kursk and sinks her.
Toledo then makes its way to Norway for emergency repairs and then onto Britain.
The ending is pretty much the same to either one. The US is embarassed by the incident and Putin needs American financial support and wants to suppress the hardliners looking for retribution. Clinton doesn't want this incident to hurt his Presidency or Gore's campaign. Putin agrees to cover it up in exchange for the US forgiving some Russian debt and Putin tosses in the pardon of the spy as well.
Those are the main theories that get floated around. Now, the official account would be that the propellant used in the Kursk's torpedos is unstable. Evidence for this ties back to NATO's own issues and a lost sub using the same kind of propellant. Do to the extremely low standard of maintenance and support in the Russian Navy at the time, rusted lines used to fuel the torepdos fail and ignite an explosion in the forward compartment. This explosion then ignites the warheads on the other torpedos which sets off the main explosion and dooms the ship.
The explosions are recorded by both
Memphis and
Toledo operating nearby as well as various seismic monitoring stations. All of the sounds of the resulting explosions are all too large to have been caused by a Mk48 torpedo, which has a very precise sound signature.
Toledo having been the closest ship to the explosion is ordered to port in Norway (closest NATO port that could dock her) for an immediate debriefing before continuing on to it's planned stop in Southampton.
Now, I happen to think that the official count is more believable. Outside of that the possibility of a collision is the next most interesting one, but why cover it up? It's not as if Russian and US subs have never collided before while trailing each other. Even though this resulted in a tragedy, it would have been better for the US to have handled it publicly if we were indeed responsible.