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Old 04-02-2011, 11:34 PM
 
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It seems like with a tenth of the land's population they could have at least held on to some sort of enclave for the Pied-Noirs that would have existed alongside an indepent Algeria.
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Old 04-03-2011, 12:25 AM
 
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Empires fall because something changes about the people populating & dominating them. I'm not sure I can describe the missing essence eloquently enough but I would call it "will to fight". Early Empires boast excess of the people willing sacrifice their & other' life in the quest for power, status & wealth. Populations of the late empires lose that drive for whatever reason. French could hold some sort of enclave, British could technically hold their Empire together, Russians could easily keep USSR intact and so on but ... something changed about the people of France, Britain and Post Soviet Russia. They had enough of bigger than life Imperial majesty & burdens, most wanted "downshifting".
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Old 04-03-2011, 01:01 PM
 
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Because there was never any historical development of enclaves. Unlike Morocco, where Tangier and the Spanish settlement has a long historical precedent, and even Tangier failed to retain separateness. Also, the French tried so hard to hold onto the whole thing, even incorporating for a while Algeria in its entirety into metropolitan France. Which led to the kind of extreme bitterness in Algeria that would have made partition unthinkable.
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Old 04-03-2011, 03:38 PM
 
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At one point the French did break the back of the terrorists. They were pretty brutal but so were the terrorists. The French Gov. decided to pull out rather than stay around any longer.
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Old 04-03-2011, 10:30 PM
 
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The French government wasn't very stable at the time. It collapsed in 1958. I also imagine the French lost their stomach for Empire after Dien Bien Phu. Other then that partition is messy, the British tried it in Palestine and India with far from spectacular results.
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Old 04-03-2011, 11:00 PM
 
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The French government wasn't very stable at the time. It collapsed in 1958.

But it collapsed because the existing government wanted to abandon its holdings in Algeria. DeGaulle came in like he was going to do what it took to keep the whole place, and there was a failed coup against him when he decided to give up Algeria.

Surely he could have kept some narrow coastal strip (since the majority of the Pieds Noir already lived by the coast) while still giving up some coast line to the independent Algeria. The French government could have bought up land of any in this area who wished to be citizens of the independent Algeria and sold it to the people moving in from the newly independent areas.
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Old 04-04-2011, 05:12 AM
 
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It would essentially be an "Israel," but without the broad based support of an international diaspora and stream of European immigrants (or Pied-Noir lobby in Washington!). It would have a declining population in relation to the surrounding Arab-Berber lands, and - barring a genocidal population transfer - it would continue to have a disfranchised Arab minority or majority in its borders.

France made a decision after 1967 to seek the favor of the Arab World, largely because it depends heavily on Arab oil. An Algerian enclave would not have satisfied this need. France would have faced a prolonged oil boycott on top of prolonged violence over its African strip.
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Old 04-04-2011, 08:34 AM
 
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All valid reasons. After WWII, Vietnam, Suez, numerous 4th Republic governments coming and going, DeGaulle saw that it just was not worth it. He was right. And he got out at the right time. Can you imagine France trying to hold Algeria in the late 60s?
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Old 04-04-2011, 11:31 AM
 
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Other than the fact they already held it, what did Algeria offer to the French besides problems? Also, the French did essentially create a splintered state when they granted citizenship, but only to settlers and their descendants from Europe as well as the Algerian Sephardic Jews. The French would not even grant citizenship to Algerians who served in the French military during the world wars. The citizenship difference was huge as only citizens were allowed to vote. Algeria at this time was similar to apartheid South Africa, with even more bad blood. The best thing the French could do was leave as they were facing an endless conflict if they didn't and staying provided them with nothing of any substance.
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Old 04-04-2011, 11:42 AM
 
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Other than the fact they already held it, what did Algeria offer to the French besides problems? Also, the French did essentially create a splintered state when they granted citizenship, but only to settlers and their descendants from Europe as well as the Algerian Sephardic Jews. The French would not even grant citizenship to Algerians who served in the French military during the world wars. The citizenship difference was huge as only citizens were allowed to vote. Algeria at this time was similar to apartheid South Africa, with even more bad blood. The best thing the French could do was leave as they were facing an endless conflict if they didn't and staying provided them with nothing of any substance.

My understanding was that they granted citizenship to anyone who accepted French family law - which effectively excluded the muslim population, but was not written with an explicit religion test.
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