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Guilty as charged. I should have left the last part out, and I take it back. I think I have become over-sensitized by the presence of Neo-Nazis in the History Forum, but I certainly do not remember your name in that connection. It is indeed an emotional topic by its very nature; mass murder and those who would deny it despite the thorough documentation. At least I phrased it as a question, not an accusation, but it was still wrong in the absence of any specific indication of it on your part.
Can you refer us back to one of the recent posts by a person whose content revealed a "specific indication" that he "is a neo-nazi", and has thus over-sensitized you? As opposed to simply using historical references to contend that the anti-nazi rhetoric overstates the case?
If you cannot produce an example of a post by a genuine, legitimate neo-nazi, then you might still have a little bit more back-pedaling to do.
Guilty as charged. I should have left the last part out, and I take it back. I think I have become over-sensitized by the presence of Neo-Nazis in the History Forum, but I certainly do not remember your name in that connection. It is indeed an emotional topic by its very nature; mass murder and those who would deny it despite the thorough documentation. At least I phrased it as a question, not an accusation, but it was still wrong in the absence of any specific indication of it on your part.
Unless of course it turns out that "Zibasher" is short for "Zionist Basher."
Can you refer us back to one of the recent posts by a person whose content revealed a "specific indication" that he "is a neo-nazi", and has thus over-sensitized you? As opposed to simply using historical references to contend that the anti-nazi rhetoric overstates the case?
If you cannot produce an example of a post by a genuine, legitimate neo-nazi, then you might still have a little bit more back-pedaling to do.
I am not interested in spending my time in order to satisfy you. Think what you want - it is of no consequence to me.
No Nazi Germany Killed 12 million innocent civialians, and Imperial Japan killed 20,000,000 chinese civilains, thats evil.
Also combined the casulties for civilains in Japan, Italy, and Germany were less than 2 million combined.[/QUOTE
How could the good guys have won when the Soviets killed around 20 million people before Hitler wAs even elected? Also I don't believe that the Nazis killewd 12 million people. I have satudied ww2 for many years and never came across any factual material like that. A lot of prapaganda yes but no proof what so ever.
He killed 6,000,000 Jews + 5 million political enemies in the country + 1 million Soviet POWs.
THe Japanese killed 20,000,000 in Chinese alone, not counting South east asians, Or Burmans + american & British POWs. (which according the the Vienna Convention was illegal) is closer to 25 million.
OVer all 55,000,000 were killed and only 1,700,000 civilians were killed on by the Allies. The soviets were bad, but not as bad as Imperial Japan or Nazi Germany.
I am not interested in spending my time in order to satisfy you. Think what you want - it is of no consequence to me.
The custom here is that if a poster makes a statement, the poster can be called to provide some kind of citation to support it, or show that it a widely held assumption. Rather than to just assume a supercilious attitude and brush off whomever challenges your statements, no matter how bombastic they are.
Who are the neo-nazis present in this board who have been over-sensitizing you?
Or, here's something easier. Tell us what you think a neo-nazi is. Maybe definitions is the problem. As far as I know, a neo-nazi is a person aligned with a movement seeking to revive Nazism or some variant thereof. Are there some of these people posting here?
I clearly do not care what you think, either, but you and I are not the only people on this board, and the other users might like to see the basis upon which you make your assertions.
He killed 6,000,000 Jews + 5 million political enemies in the country + 1 million Soviet POWs.
THe Japanese killed 20,000,000 in Chinese alone, not counting South east asians, Or Burmans + american & British POWs. (which according the the Vienna Convention was illegal) is closer to 25 million.
OVer all 55,000,000 were killed and only 1,700,000 civilians were killed on by the Allies. The soviets were bad, but not as bad as Imperial Japan or Nazi Germany.
I'm confused where the 55 million number is coming from. What does that represent? Also you might want to recheck the 1,700,000 number, with respect to German civilians alone who were killed by starvation (Morganthou boys and such) fire-bombings and forced migrations.
The custom here is that if a poster makes an absolute statement of fact, the poster can be called to provide some kind of citation to support it, or show that it a widely held assumption.
Who are the neo-nazis present in this board who have been over-sensitizing you?
Or, here's something easier. Tell us what you think a neo-nazi is. Maybe definitions is the problem. As far as I know, a neo-nazi is a person aligned with a movement seeking to revive Nazism or some variant thereof. Are there some of these people posting here?
I clearly do not care what you think, either, but you and I are not the only people on this board, and the other users might like to see the basis upon which you make your assertions.
Then other users can say so. I am not interested in responding to you. Your concern for the other users is truly touching.
I don't know of any American school that teaches such nonsense.
The majority of elementary and secondary students learn nothing at all about history in school, and are left only with their osmotic knowledge from the body of conventional wisdom.
It is a tiny minority of Americans whose analytical thought process has actually been penetrated by even a modicum of rigorous historical scholarship.
While American schools may not teach that nonsense, they do little to dispel the notion. The majority of Americans get the bulk of their historical education from sound bites on the fourth of July.
In case you have forgotten school, here's how it works. Kids come to school believing certain patriotic misconceptions. courtesy of Pastor Weems, Fox&Friends and a VFW assembly. Nobody says "That is not true". Instead, they are given a reading assignment from a chapter that presents a contrasting point of view. The pupils are left to match that information with what they already "knew" and draw their own conclusions, if they independently detect any contradiction at all, which is unlikely. They complete the T/F part of the exam with 75% correct (50% known and 25% guesed right), take their diploma and run.
So technically, you are right. The school does not teach such nonsense. It doesn't have to. It remains an historical misconception.
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