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Old 05-11-2011, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
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Men like Pontiac and Tecumseh had modest success, but even their alliances were short lived and eventually broke up.

Some now argue that the Indians won an important political victory in Pontiac's War; that as a result the British decided to deal with the Indians of the pays d'en haut and Ohio country and made political and economic concessions to them.

Too bad for the Indians though that The United States soon replaced Britain as the main threat to them.
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Old 05-11-2011, 01:45 PM
 
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Not well known is that often the tribes had deep hatreds toward enemy tribes that went back for generations.
Hence "Comanche" was the Ute word for "enemy"
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Old 05-11-2011, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Some now argue that the Indians won an important political victory in Pontiac's War; that as a result the British decided to deal with the Indians of the pays d'en haut and Ohio country and made political and economic concessions to them.

Too bad for the Indians though that The United States soon replaced Britain as the main threat to them.


....and lucky for the Indians that they were not dealing with Spain.
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Old 05-11-2011, 02:29 PM
 
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....and lucky for the Indians that they were not dealing with Spain.
I wouldn't say they were necessarily "lucky" to not have to deal with Spain.
In areas of the Spanish empire where there were large numbers of Indians and they were more advanced, they were not wiped out but enslaved, converted, with a few assimilated into colonial society. (E.g. Mexico, Peru).
In areas of the Spanish empire where the Indians were on a lower technological level and less numerous, similar to the situation that existed in the US and Canada, they were largely eradicated just like the British did in the US and Canada. (E.g. Argentina, Uruguay)
The Indians of the Caribbean nations regardless of the colonial power all died of disease as they were the first to come in contact with Europeans. It is very debatable how many Tainos and island Arawaks survived, but it's generally agreed that the numbers were very small.
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Old 05-11-2011, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
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....and lucky for the Indians that they were not dealing with Spain.

By the time of Pontiac's War the Spanish had advanced considerably in their policies towards Indians and especially in those areas now The United States.

Indeed it was the Brits and their Indian allies who destroyed the Indians native to Florida, many of whom were Spanish allies or under strong Spanish political and cultural influence and who seem to have been doing OK.

Some historians argue that in Mexico the Indians got a better shake from the reformed Spanish Bourbon regime than from the independent Mexican government that followed.
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Old 05-11-2011, 03:14 PM
 
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By the time of Pontiac's War the Spanish had advanced considerably in their policies towards Indians and especially in those areas now The United States.

Indeed it was the Brits and their Indian allies who destroyed the Indians native to Florida, many of whom were Spanish allies or under strong Spanish political and cultural influence and who seem to have been doing OK.

Some historians argue that in Mexico the Indians got a better shake from the reformed Spanish Bourbon regime than from the independent Mexican government that followed.
I'd agree with that.
Hidalgo and Guerrero, both white criollos, had little use for Mexico's indigenous population, and initially thought the Spanish coddled them too much. Not until Morelos emerged did Mexico's nonwhite population participate in the war of independence, and even then it was the mixed race majority population who got behind independence under Morelos rather than the Indians.
Santa Anna was VERY nasty to Mexico's tribes, having an Andrew Jackson-type attitude towards indigenous peoples.

This context makes the emergence of Benito Juarez even more remarkable than it would be otherwise.
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