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Old 06-01-2011, 03:50 AM
 
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How many non Jewish civilians were murdered by the Nazis? In addition how many non Jewish POWs were sent to concentration death camps?
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Old 06-01-2011, 06:53 AM
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During the era of the Holocaust, German authorities also targeted other groups because of their perceived "racial inferiority": Roma (Gypsies), the disabled, and some of the Slavic peoples (Poles, Russians, and others). Other groups were persecuted on political, ideological, and behavioral grounds, among them Communists, Socialists, Jehovah's Witnesses, and homosexuals.

Although Jews, whom the Nazis deemed a priority danger to Germany, were the primary victims of Nazi racism, other victims included some 200,000 Roma (Gypsies). At least 200,000 mentally or physically disabled patients, mainly Germans, living in institutional settings, were murdered in the so-called Euthanasia Program.

read more sometime
ever hear of google?

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Old 06-01-2011, 07:26 AM
 
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Well ethnic Polish children were sent to the concentration camps. I would not know why since they were not Jewish. An example is of this:


Czesława Kwoka (August 15, 1928 – March 12, 1943), a Polish Catholic child who died in the Auschwitz concentration camp at the age of 14. She was one of the thousands of child victims of German World War II crimes against Poles. She died at Auschwitz-Birkenau, in Poland, and is among those memorialized in the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum indoor exhibit called Block no. 6: Exhibition: The Life of the Prisoners.[1][2]
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Old 06-01-2011, 08:05 AM
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Well ethnic Polish children were sent to the concentration camps. I would not know why since they were not Jewish.
not exactly a non sequitur...

I don't have any specific explanation for your example
but some insight is out there...

one example of some more reading to do
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Old 06-01-2011, 08:37 AM
 
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50 million - 6 million = answer.
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Old 06-01-2011, 08:47 AM
 
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The OPs question is on "non-jewish POWs" which sorts of limits his question to military personnel as I understand it.

Millions of Russian and Polish (eastern european) soldiers taken as POW (number readily available using google) died under Nazi internship, mostly due to ill treatment or starvation in the POW camps, on the contrary however they treated western troops taken as prisoner relatively well and relatively within Geneva convention principles. Of course, millions of German soldiers died in Russian POW camps, up until the early 50's.

If your question was directed at civilian deaths - Jews were simply #1 on the Nazi hit list. They hated Slav's, Gypsy's, and other ethnic groups just as bad. Numbers again are available via an easy google search but I would say they killed just as many non-jewish civilians as jewish. Add to that, Russians also were involved in mass killings of civilians.

Edit: Reading the OP's post again, I see he specifically indicated civilians, I just saw the POW remark originally. In that case my first paragraph is not relevant but I will keep it for information purposes only.
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Old 06-04-2011, 06:08 AM
 
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Well ethnic Polish children were sent to the concentration camps. I would not know why since they were not Jewish.
Let's see...could it have had something to do with the fact that the Nazis didn't think Poles were much better than wild animals? As another poster suggested, you have a lot of research to do (and here's a hint: try to avoid wikipedia when you do it!)
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Old 06-04-2011, 10:37 AM
 
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Let's see...could it have had something to do with the fact that the Nazis didn't think Poles were much better than wild animals? As another poster suggested, you have a lot of research to do (and here's a hint: try to avoid wikipedia when you do it!)
Not just the Poles, but Slavs in general. The masterplan was to kill off the unnecessary and deport the rest east as slaves and repopulate the land with the chosen. And it wasn't just Jews who were looked down upon but other Christian religions than the 'official' state compliant church. In the POW camps the prisoners doing the paperwork for new prisoners would put down everyone as 'prodestant' and a 'farmer'. Catholics were considered suspect as well.

People have been zenophobic to some degree since there were people. The Nazis just took it to a degree far far past the norm, added an agenda of aniliation and genocide via industrial means, and succeeded in succeeded in wiping out millions in a short span of time.
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Old 06-04-2011, 10:55 AM
 
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The OP used the term "murder", which is a rather slanted choice of words. Causing the death of a human being is not necessarily "murder", a word that has connotations of legality. Everything the Nazis did was perfectly legal, and every German involved in the process was acting under a presumption of legality. To describe it using a legal term like "murder" where it is not applicable indicates an intention to sway an objective discussion over to a subjective series of viewpoints.

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you have a lot of research to do (and here's a hint: try to avoid wikipedia when you do it!)
I disagree with you. On highly partisan or contentious issues about which people have strong feelings, it is my experience that if I google a topic, Wikipedia is nearly always the MOST objective treatment among the first hundred or so hits. And, as I indicated above, if you google using loaded search terms like /nazi murder/, I will guarantee you that every hit will be less balanced and objective than the Wikipedia article. Out of 19,900,000 hits, exactly how do you find the authentic, properly-researched, balanced one? At the very least, the Wiki article will have exhaustive links at the bottom to sources that are a hell of a lot more authentic that the blogs that you're going to try to guess about in the miasma of google hits.

And you can't just read two sources and assume the truth lies between them, because one might be completely true and the other completely false, like a roundtable on a "balanced" talk show.

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Old 06-06-2011, 03:55 PM
 
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The OP used the term "murder", which is a rather slanted choice of words. Causing the death of a human being is not necessarily "murder", a word that has connotations of legality. Everything the Nazis did was perfectly legal, and every German involved in the process was acting under a presumption of legality. To describe it using a legal term like "murder" where it is not applicable indicates an intention to sway an objective discussion over to a subjective series of viewpoints..
First, I dont think that was true even under German law. I dont think the Nazis actually ever passed a law allowing the execution of Russian POWs, for example. Or even of Jews in general.

Second its quite reasonable to use the term murder in a sense that calls what some laws allow murderous. Murder has an ethical meaning as well as one in positive law, and indeed the world judged the Nazis accordingly. It would be misleading to ignore that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mu...s_legal.2C_too
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