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Old 07-22-2011, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Christians (Jews were removed in 1949) were safe in Iraq until its dictatorship was removed. Look at it know:



Fear of jihad driving Christians from Iraq - USATODAY.com

Christians flee Iraq, find Syria 'ruthless'

This is signs of things to come since the Jews have already been removed from these countries.

Syria Christians fear for religious freedom | Reuters

Coptic Christians slaughtered in Egypt as the world looks away | The Australian
Do you think it's a coincidence that Jews left Iraq in 1949? There were quite a few other Middle Eastern countries in which Jews left right about 1949. Why do you think that was? What happened right around that time that caused Jews' relations with their neighbors in the Middle East to worsen?

The worsened situation of Christians in Iraq is a direct result of the US invasion. Mubarak's government in Egypt had been fueling hatred against Christians to distract the people and the new military government seems to be at the very least looking the other way. Perhaps if there was no US invasion of Iraq or a political solution in Egypt things would be different?

Syria is Ba'athist ; remember that the founders of Ba'athism were Christians, and Ba'athism is a secular nationalist ideology similar to Zionism. With the weakening of the Ba'athist government unfortunately comes the scapegoating of Christians. Christians in Arab lands often support autocratic establishments for the same reason why Jews and other minorities in Austria-Hungary supported the Habsburgs and why African-Americans in the 19th and early 20th centuries supported the Republican Party: because they saw the aristocratic establishment as protecting them from the masses and saw mass rule and instability as a threat. Unfortunately, when autocratic establishments crumble, minorities often get blamed.
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Old 07-22-2011, 09:36 PM
 
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Israel deserve their land, Palestine deserve them to stop spreading. Either way, non Muslims deserve the human right self defense to oppose Islam's sexist/violent/hateful/ignornant illiterate muhammad teachings. People living in some islamic nations have to survive under a demi law(non islam tax), are persecuted, women cant drive or show hair...and you want to talk about rights? awwwww, poor dear muslims(inbred men)....................pfffhhhh, dont you hate when people discriminate against discrimination? Good day.
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Old 07-23-2011, 03:32 AM
 
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This is a completely baseless and incendiary falsehood. The current Christian minorities number 10% in Syria and 15% in Egypt, which comes to about 12-million Christians. They live in perfect harmony with their Muslim neighbors, and not a single one of them has come to harm as a result of any religious or anti-Christian activity on the part of the governments or the Muslim majorities in those countries. Those Christians were there for many centuries before there were any Israelis to protect them. They are free to practice all aspects of their faith except for their pathological zeal to proselytize.
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And Palestinian Christians suffered the same pight than Palestinian Muslims. Christian communities in those regions are older than Western Christians and they survived though countless generations.

Crusaders treated Palestinian Christians with the same ferocity, but Saladdin respected them.

Under Palestinean rule, the three religious communities lived side by side during centuries. Now Christians are banded in the same side that Muslims.
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Old 07-23-2011, 03:43 AM
 
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Israel deserve their land, Palestine deserve them to stop spreading. Either way, non Muslims deserve the human right self defense to oppose Islam's sexist/violent/hateful/ignornant illiterate muhammad teachings. People living in some islamic nations have to survive under a demi law(non islam tax), are persecuted, women cant drive or show hair...and you want to talk about rights? awwwww, poor dear muslims(inbred men)....................pfffhhhh, dont you hate when people discriminate against discrimination? Good day.

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People that are dispossesed of their land and confined to concentration camps tend to resort to sexist/violent/hateful/ignorant illiterate teachings. Using the Holocaust or Islam is a sorry and irrelevant excuse, since Palestinians are not responsible of the Holocaust, and Islam can also be extremely tolerant under prosperous and peaceful goverments.

Not to mention that Israel is packed with state funded zealots that are no better.

I'm sure that without Israel, Palestina would have become a rich and prosperous land. A welcoming land to pilgrims of all three religions.
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Old 07-23-2011, 05:38 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Do you think it's a coincidence that Jews left Iraq in 1949? There were quite a few other Middle Eastern countries in which Jews left right about 1949. Why do you think that was? What happened right around that time that caused Jews' relations with their neighbors in the Middle East to worsen?
I'd rather stay OT, but most were forced out of their homes and land and exiled to Israel. Do you really think they wanted to leave a place where the comfortable for numerous generations? And they took their business savvy and abilities with them. Their lands were nationalized and their homes were given to Palestinians who did nothing positive for them.

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The worsened situation of Christians in Iraq is a direct result of the US invasion....Perhaps if there was no US invasion of Iraq
Of course it did. The US removed the leading tribe. Now its up for grabs as a new tribe tries take over.

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Mubarak's government in Egypt had been fueling hatred against Christians to distract the people and the new military government seems to be at the very least looking the other way
Same problem, except without US involvement. And once, or if, the military is knocked out of power then it will go into tribal warfare.

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....when autocratic establishments crumble, minorities often get blamed.
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Under Palestinean rule, the three religious communities lived side by side during centuries.
There was no Palestinian rule ever. They lived side by side under Ottoman rule. Under Ottoman rule Jews and Christians thrived as the created farm land from desert while the Arabs tended flocks and decimated land from ever growing anything.

Jews may have been the minority in the region. But they are the ones who created farming jobs in the region. And those jobs created the large influx of Arabs to work them. Before the Jews came to the area, there were less than 200,000 residents in the entire region. The growth in the area since the mid 1800's by Arabs was mainly due to them migrating as workers for European Jews that were sold the lands by the Ottomans.
2. History of Gush Katif - Gaza Strip
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Old 07-23-2011, 05:41 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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I'm sure that without Israel, Palestina would have become a rich and prosperous land. A welcoming land to pilgrims of all three religions.
Like what Arab country is today??
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Old 08-23-2011, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Trieste
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Beside the fact that Israel and Israelis have always been way more in contact with the Western culture, mindset, etc than any other Arab countries (after all it was the Jews who lived in Europe and America, not the Arabs) it's also important to stress the IQ thing, Israel has a IQ of 94, a date not that high, far from it but in the meantime no Arab country score that high, Iraq is 87, Lebanon 86, Quatar 78 etc
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Old 08-25-2011, 05:54 PM
 
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This could fall into a number of categories, but figured history buffs would understand more. So why is the quality of life in Israel better than most (of the world also) even though it is in a bad neighborhood with neighbors trying to destory them at every turn?
Because they are the Chosen People! Not to mention that we regular invade, bomb, boycott, sanction and steal from and foment wars, dissension and chaos among, its neighbors

Like the $40 billion we just stole from Libya.
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Old 08-25-2011, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge
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Why does Israel prosper while the Arab world does not?

Because the U.S. gives- NOT LOANS- billions to these people every year. Israel is the 51 st. state.

Cheers.


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Old 08-26-2011, 07:15 AM
 
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Why does Israel prosper while the Arab world does not?

Because the U.S. gives- NOT LOANS- billions to these people every year. Israel is the 51 st. state.

Cheers.


Economic aid has been greatly reduced in recent years. In 1998 the US started reducing economic aid to Israel. By 2007, Isreal receives ZERO economic aid from the US. Military aid, for specific uses, still exists (mostly for missle defense I understand). And I think they have some optional loan guarantees (yes loans).

Military aid does not have a direct bearing on their economy either way. If anything, military spending is a drain on their economy, which the US helps to offset, and Israel has a very high military spending budget for obvious reasons.
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