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Old 08-01-2011, 07:48 PM
 
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He was fairly cunning in climbing to the top and I think we need to remember that Stalin purged a large number of officers pre-war for political reasons.

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It seemed that during the war he put capable generals in charge in that when his neck was on the line he would make the correct decisions but at other times, especially post-war you would make somewhat intentionally random acts. (not always irrational though in that he was seeking a desired effect.)
Basically Stalin was not all that different from many other monarchs of Russia who ruled before him.
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Old 08-01-2011, 09:45 PM
 
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a very informative and fantastic posting as it's much appreciated as always
Thank you, sir. I'm pleased you found it of interest.
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Old 08-02-2011, 07:32 AM
 
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Basically Stalin was not all that different from many other monarchs of Russia who ruled before him.
Yeah, the Russian people have a long history of loving strong leaders and putting tons of power in to a few (or one) hands. Whatever the political system....eventually you get a leader that takes over and is all-powerful even when it's supposed to be for the workers' etc.

But hey, enough about Putin.
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Old 08-02-2011, 07:32 PM
 
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Yeah, the Russian people have a long history of loving strong leaders and putting tons of power in to a few (or one) hands. Whatever the political system....eventually you get a leader that takes over and is all-powerful even when it's supposed to be for the workers' etc.

But hey, enough about Putin.
We can't really talk about Putin and his importance for future generations, without addressing the history of Russia and the way it has been reflected in the Russian Art. So before we discuss the issue of Putin and his presidency, let's look back in time and visit a couple of Russian museums, preferably of classical art.

Here is for your attention;

Ivan the terrible killing his son.

http://bibliotekar.ru/kRepin/2.files/image001.jpg

Peter The Great interrogating his son ( and killing him later)

http://nearyou.ru/ge/t71peter.jpg

Of course we don't have ( yet) a painting, depicting Stalin writing a letter to Germans, refusing to exchange his son ( who was killed later.)
I am confident however that this masterpiece is yet to come. Meanwhile by now we should recognize the trendy custom of the most progressive Russian monarchs and that Putin is not keeping up with it, while pretending all along to be a true leader.
So the best I can offer on a subject ( in order to keep up with great traditions of Russian Art) is this beautiful painting ( oil on canvas) of apostolic succession, that reflects the greatness of the Russian Empire, inviolable friendship of people and peace on Earth. I am attaching it as a thumbnail and now when I think about it, I'll probably go and post in the "Fine Arts" section too...
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Thoughts About Why Only Pavlov Was Executed and Yet Not Other Soviet Army Commanders During 1941 Invasion-putin-stalin.jpg  
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Old 08-02-2011, 11:09 PM
 
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Found more great, inspirational stuff...

http://img15.nnm.ru/e/0/a/4/d/889271...89c9e852d1.jpg

http://fotopolitika.ru/fotos/fotor1603.jpg

http://i.blog.fontanka.ru/photos/201...u6O0eHRNcc.jpg
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Old 08-03-2011, 07:55 AM
 
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We can't really talk about Putin and his importance for future generations, without addressing the history of Russia and the way it has been reflected in the Russian Art. So before we discuss the issue of Putin and his presidency, let's look back in time and visit a couple of Russian museums, preferably of classical art.

Here is for your attention;

Ivan the terrible killing his son.

http://bibliotekar.ru/kRepin/2.files/image001.jpg

Peter The Great interrogating his son ( and killing him later)

http://nearyou.ru/ge/t71peter.jpg

Of course we don't have ( yet) a painting, depicting Stalin writing a letter to Germans, refusing to exchange his son ( who was killed later.)
I am confident however that this masterpiece is yet to come. Meanwhile by now we should recognize the trendy custom of the most progressive Russian monarchs and that Putin is not keeping up with it, while pretending all along to be a true leader.
So the best I can offer on a subject ( in order to keep up with great traditions of Russian Art) is this beautiful painting ( oil on canvas) of apostolic succession, that reflects the greatness of the Russian Empire, inviolable friendship of people and peace on Earth. I am attaching it as a thumbnail and now when I think about it, I'll probably go and post in the "Fine Arts" section too...
Simply a brilliant post. Thankyou.
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Old 08-03-2011, 09:26 AM
 
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Simply a brilliant post. Thankyou.
But of course.
We are talking about the Classical Art here, not your impressionism-modernism mambo-jumbo...
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Old 08-03-2011, 11:06 AM
 
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lol, great stuff erasure.

On another note, I just thought of a witty response to this thread as to why they killed Pavlov...

...because they had learned all they could from his dogs.
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Old 08-03-2011, 11:34 PM
 
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lol, great stuff erasure.

On another note, I just thought of a witty response to this thread as to why they killed Pavlov...

...because they had learned all they could from his dogs.
When I saw the thread title, I immediately thought of THAT Pavlov, not even remembering about the existence of another one.
Now I am reading that they were all rehabilitated ( posthumously of course) - all 7? of them. I'm sure it makes them feel soooooo much better in their graves)))))
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Old 08-13-2011, 10:43 AM
 
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If the Germans had won the war, more than likely our history books would mention the Soviet invasion of the Reich.

How will we ever know which side caused the conflict when history is written by the victors? If you read Hitler's speeches to the Reichstag he talks about how it was the Russians who were going to strike at the Reich. I think that's one of the reason the Wehrmacht could get many foreign volunteers to fight the Russians.
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