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Old 10-21-2011, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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national journal: A Real Holocaust: Dresden, 13 February 1945

How approximately 500,000 Germans were exterminated in one night

Very very sad....

I AM JUST SO SICK OF ALL THIS EVIL AND THE HUMAN ANIMAL RACE IN GENERAL..... NO OTHER LIFEFORM DOES THIS AND ITS JUST SICK..
... And America did it just for the hell of it I suppose?

Nope, the evil...and the blame... goes right back to those goose-stepping, non-Aryan hating, swastika-worshiping bastards who started the whole thing by taking over Germany, attempted to take over the world and who would not go away without taking their whole country down with them.

There is a reason the Nazis are so hated even today in Germany. NONE of it would of happened without them, and the Allies saved the world from them, at great cost. Even the Germans themselves know that.

If we didn't do what we did, this post made publicly would probably have landed you and I in a nice camp in the former state of Nevada for "re-education". Be thankful that good people sacrificed and fought against evil to give you the world you have today.

 
Old 10-22-2011, 12:47 AM
 
Location: Declezville, CA
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Why would you give me the dates for Japan?
Simple explanation: I misread and thought you were still talking about the atom bombs. Happens.
 
Old 10-22-2011, 04:37 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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The systematic firebombings of Japan in World War II dwarf the Dresden raid.

The Fire Raids on Japan

War is hell.
 
Old 10-22-2011, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Wherever women are
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So, the moral of this thread:

A few hundred thousand German civilians (including women and children) deserved mass execution becoz of the horrors perpetrated by the Nazis.

Corollary:
And it's not a holocaust, becoz they weren't Jewish.

Okaaaaay
 
Old 10-22-2011, 09:05 AM
 
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So, the moral of this thread:

A few hundred thousand German civilians (including women and children) deserved mass execution becoz of the horrors perpetrated by the Nazis.

Corollary:
And it's not a holocaust, becoz they weren't Jewish.

Okaaaaay
There wasn't 500,000 civilians killed in Dresden. Original Nazi propaganda claimed 200,000, but Goebbels just exaggerated that number. The real estimates are closer to 25,000.

Report: Dresden bombing deaths overestimated - World news - Europe - msnbc.com

It's sad, but in the long list of atrocities in Europe during World War 2, Dresden ranks far down the list. The Germans practically invented aerial bombing of civillian areas---they bombed Polish cities indiscriminately in 1939. And they bombed British cities like Bath that had historical significance but no strategic importance.
 
Old 10-22-2011, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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No, he was appointed by Paul von Hindenburg.

Same @ jtur88..."You are right that Hitler was elected." No, he is not right.
In free and fair elections, Hitler got more popular votes than anyone else. As in most western countries, the government leader often heads a coalition, but without getting more than 50% of the votes.

Just as Stephen Harper was "appointed" Prime Minister of Canada, but his party got only 39% of the popular vote. No Canadian would say that Harper was appointed, not elected.

Hitler stood for election in Germany, twice, and received enough votes from the people to validate his claim to heading a minority government. It was fully in accordance with German law, and there was no popular uprising at the time to contest his leadership. He served by the expressed will of the people at the ballot box. That is called "being elected" under the conventional understanding of the word in western multi-party democracies.

How sad, that people living all their life in a closed 2-faction system, insulated from the rest of the world, have no understanding of how governments are formed when the people have 3 or more viable choices.

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Old 10-22-2011, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Wherever women are
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There wasn't 500,000 civilians killed in Dresden. Original Nazi propaganda claimed 200,000, but Goebbels just exaggerated that number. The real estimates are closer to 25,000.

Report: Dresden bombing deaths overestimated - World news - Europe - msnbc.com

It's sad, but in the long list of atrocities in Europe during World War 2, Dresden ranks far down the list. The Germans practically invented aerial bombing of civillian areas---they bombed Polish cities indiscriminately in 1939. And they bombed British cities like Bath that had historical significance but no strategic importance.
Agree with the notion that Dresden was pumped up by the pumpers. Absolument

You see the pump machine was at work and the death toll was greatly aggrandized.

There was an outcry and a commission was instituted to investigate and it posted a much lower figure, possibly under 100K, and the commission consisted of many Germans and I appreciate their attempt to rework numbers in response to outcries for the sake of statistical proximity to accuracy.

On the other hand, I can't help but think of the other side and have a cheeky smile on my face.

Say, there is an outcry on the Jewish holocaust number, as there has been since the war, how many commissions were formed and how many historians even attempted to calculate the number of Jews killed and try putting a figure closer to reality?

The very question riles a sizeable section of the world's population up like school girls. Sad, but funny
 
Old 10-22-2011, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Originally Posted by Antlered Chamataka View Post
Agree with the notion that Dresden was pumped up by the pumpers. Absolument

You see the pump machine was at work and the death toll was greatly aggrandized.

There was an outcry and a commission was instituted to investigate and it posted a much lower figure, possibly under 100K, and the commission consisted of many Germans and I appreciate their attempt to rework numbers in response to outcries for the sake of statistical proximity to accuracy.

On the other hand, I can't help but think of the other side and have a cheeky smile on my face.

Say, there is an outcry on the Jewish holocaust number, as there has been since the war, how many commissions were formed and how many historians even attempted to calculate the number of Jews killed and try putting a figure closer to reality?

The very question riles a sizeable section of the world's population up like school girls. Sad, but funny
Is there any sort of point in our future? Let us suppose that an unassailable study was conducted and the exact figure of exterminated Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals and retarded people murdered by the Third Reich could be obtained. Further, in our hypothetical, let us say that we learn that the Nazis actually exterminated only 3 million Jews. Or two million...or one million...or five.

So what? Are you continuously clanging away on this theme because you think that discovering a lower figure will make the Nazis more moral? That discovering a lower figure means that the Jews actually have no complaint? That while murdering six million was a barbaric crime, murdering ten thousand was okay?

Do you have any reason at all to make us think the Nazis were anything other than the morally disgusting organization that they were?

What? What is your point?

Among all the decent causes out there in the world, why are you investing your time and energy trying to rehabilitate a government which was little more than a thugocracy?

And suppose that you triumphed? Then what would be next for you? An impassioned defense of Timothy McVeigh? An essay on all the benefits that organized crime has brought to America?

Make your point or shut the hell up with this stuff. Surely you have some point beyond..."The Jews are inflating the totals."
 
Old 10-22-2011, 06:48 PM
 
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"...unfortunately they won." You mean it was unfortunate we won?
thats logical on his part, if the Nazis won there would only be no Jews, Asains, Africans, Hisapanics, and only White people with blonde hair and Blue eyes.

In his world its tragic that that 99% of humanity still is alive and well.
 
Old 10-22-2011, 07:03 PM
 
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In free and fair elections, Hitler got more popular votes than anyone else. As in most western countries, the government leader often heads a coalition, but without getting more than 50% of the votes.


Hitler stood for election in Germany, twice, and received enough votes from the people to validate his claim to heading a minority government. It was fully in accordance with German law, and there was no popular uprising at the time to contest his leadership. He served by the expressed will of the people at the ballot box. That is called "being elected" under the conventional understanding of the word in western multi-party democracies.


Hitler was appointed by Hindenburg. And there was no coalition. He was a dictator. Other parties were dissolved or banned. As I already said, he was a dictator. When Hindenburg died in 1934, Hitler merged the powers of the Presidency with the Chancellorship. His accession to power was complete without winning a majority in head-to-head political or parliamentary election. When was Hitler up for vote?

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