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Old 12-27-2011, 02:35 PM
 
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What would the South be like today if they had won the Civil War? I am aware even if the South did win the war, slavery would eventually cease to exist there. Would it still likely to retain its independence from the USA?
That's a hard one; the antebellum south was a prosperous place, on the backs of slaves. There was also some poverty though; poor folks who could not afford slaves and the myriad ways they contributed to the economy. After the war, the south had to come up with a better way to build their economy. It's safe to say that parts of the south never recovered from the loss of slave labor, and unemployment rates in southern states are still high.
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Old 12-27-2011, 08:27 PM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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I think in the unlikely event the South won, they might have existed as a separate nation for awhile, but eventually would have been re-absorbed into the Union.
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Old 12-28-2011, 09:10 AM
 
Location: GA Peach
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I think in the unlikely event the South won, they might have existed as a separate nation for awhile, but eventually would have been re-absorbed into the Union.
I agree with this.

But the poster who said that the south did not fight over slavery must have missed 7th grade U.S history class....
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Old 12-28-2011, 09:15 AM
 
Location: southern california
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the same issues that caused the civil war are still present.
the federal government breaks its own laws. rules by might not right. ironically the slogan of lincoln in reverse.
the civil war was not about slavery, a matter of record.
slavery issue was introduced later a brillant political move. but the victor writes history.
the south would be like the relationship of georgia to russia today if they had won.

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Old 12-28-2011, 09:17 AM
 
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Well thought out. This surely is how the CSA would proceed if it didn't have the North to guide it.

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1869--CSA successfully negotiates a peace treaty with the USA.

1870-CSA government becomes deadlocked over "States Rats"

1871-CSA government decides "States Rats" is not about rodents

1872-CSA government resumes fighting about "States Rats" The USA begins RR construction to link the North with the West Coast. CSA fights some more about States Rats.

1880- USA has built and extensive RR network and has invented electricity. South still fighting about States Rats. Electric research moves at warp speed for the North as they don't have to argue with the Southerners anymore.

1890-North builds border fence along CSA border. CSA argues for States Rats. CSA invents nothing. USA debates over illegal immigrants from the CSA.

1914--Germany negotiates a truce with France and England after the CSA tries to become their ally. WWI never happens.

1941--Japanese task force pulls a U turn in the Pacific after CSA Navy tries to join. WWII never happens. CSA asks Japan for help in solving States Rats issue.

1945--CSA president declares war on the Soviet Union. The Russians send them a bottle of vodka. USA lands first man on the moon.

1950--Germany, Russia and the USA perfect fusion technology. Global Warming never happens. Final disarmament takes place. Canada applies for Statehood. USA rejects reunification feelers from CSA after initial talks break down over States Rats. USA ambassador advises CSA to ask the French upon leaving.

1990--USA builds colonies in 100 different galaxies and perfects wormhole technology to travel back and forth instantly. CSA invents the Pet Rock and declares Billy Ray Cyrus entertainer of the year. Cuba increases their aid to the CSA to combat hunger.
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Old 12-28-2011, 10:13 AM
 
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If the south would've won:

1. we woulda had it made.
2. Hank Jr would probably run for president of the southern states.
3. The day Elvis passed away would be our national holiday.
4. supreme court would be down in Texas and we wouldn't have no killers getting off free. If they were proven guilty then they would swing quickly, instead of writin' books and smilin' on T.V.
5. We'd all learn cajun cookin' in Louisiana
6. The capital would be in Alabama.
7. Florida would be on the right track, 'cause we'd take Miami back and throw all them pushers in the slammer.
8. On the day young Skynyrd died, we'd show our southern pride.
9. All the whiskey would be made in Tennessee
10. All the horses raised in those Kentucky hills.
11. The national treasury would be in Tupelo, Mississippi
12. Hank Williams picture would be on the one hundred dollar bill.
13. All the cars would be made in the Carolinas (banning all the ones made in China.)
14. Every girl child would be sent to Georgia to learn to smile
15. All the fiddles would be made in Virginia
16. When Patsy Cline passed away that would be our national holiday.
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Old 12-28-2011, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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^^ We WOULDA HAD IT MADE!!

You can't help but think of that SONG everytime I see the subject of the south winning..
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Old 12-28-2011, 12:05 PM
 
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^^ We WOULDA HAD IT MADE!!

You can't help but think of that SONG everytime I see the subject of the south winning..
What I always found amusing about that song, is how he sounds like an advocate of a centrally-planned Communist state.
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Old 12-28-2011, 01:43 PM
 
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Weird replies, namely the ones assuming that the states of the Confederacy wouldn't do rational things for its national self-preservation.

1. Just the same as the United States junked the Articles of Confederation after the Revolution, the Confederacy would probably recognize the need for some kind of more powerful central authority, particularly with the United States as the convenient bogeyman on its northern border.

2. Slavery would have ultimately been recognized as economically untenable. How that would have affected the lot of blacks in the South is anyone's guess.

3. If the South had indeed prevailed, that would mean that the long, destructive campaigns of Sherman, et al, would not have occurred. Therefore it's reasonable to believe that cities, rail networks and the region's nascent industry would have been preserved. What's more, assuming that the vital cotton farming industry was not destroyed in the war, the South would have been able to rely on that as a source of capital.

4. The Southern states would have probably wound up carving out their own mini sphere of influence in places such as Cuba and Central America, possibly even annexing large chunks of Mexico after the overthrow of Maximilian. The South and the North might have even had unwritten agreements in place.

5. The Southern states would have played catch up in industrial development. To be sure, the states of the Confederacy would not have caught up with the North, but it almost certainly wouldn't have been content remaining a largely agricultural region. What's more, the location of a large proportion of the country's domestic oil reserves in the South would have put an interesting spin on the future economic development of the North.
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Old 12-28-2011, 01:47 PM
 
Location: United State of Texas
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I agree with this.

But the poster who said that the south did not fight over slavery must have missed 7th grade U.S history class....
Slavery was an issue, but anybody who actually ever read anything about the history of the civil war would know that the main focus of the war was secession. Public schools might teach that it was all about slavery... but it's simply not true. A large portion of the South did not even believe in slavery.
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