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Old 11-02-2014, 10:41 AM
 
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On November 2, 1917, the Balfour Declaration was given in a letter from United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Baron Rothschild (Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild), a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. It included the following:

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

Do you think that without this declaration the current Israeli-Palestinian conflict would exist?
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Old 11-02-2014, 10:48 AM
 
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On November 2, 1917, the Balfour Declaration was given in a letter from United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Baron Rothschild (Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild), a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. It included the following:

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

Do you think that without this declaration the current Israeli-Palestinian conflict would exist?
Remove the bolded above and substitute some place which didn't require displacing or subordinating the people who already lived there....then the current Israeli-Palestinian conflict wouldn't exist.
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Old 11-02-2014, 11:31 AM
 
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On November 2, 1917, the Balfour Declaration was given in a letter from United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Baron Rothschild (Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild), a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. It included the following:

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

Do you think that without this declaration the current Israeli-Palestinian conflict would exist?
of course not.
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Old 11-02-2014, 12:16 PM
 
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The Balfour Declaration led to a great influx of Jewish settlers, who believed that the declaration promised support for a Jewish state.

Unfortunately, the Palestinian people believed that the British had promised them the the same thing in the McMahon Agreement a few years earlier.

When the local Palestinian leaders saw the influx of Jewish settlers, some saw this as a threat.

When the League of Nations gave Great Britain control of the area as a mandated territory, both the Jewish and Palestinian people ended up angry at the British.
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Old 11-02-2014, 02:11 PM
 
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of course not.
I am wondering because many people seem to think that main reason that Israel was created was due to the world's guilty feeling over the Holocaust rather something like the Balfour Declaration.
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Old 11-02-2014, 02:14 PM
 
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I am wondering because many people seem to think that main reason that Israel was created was due to the world's guilty feeling over the Holocaust rather something like the Balfour Declaration.
No--the Holocaust and guilt over it might have very well resulted in the necessary international recognition for Israel to be created through a legal, international process (through the UN), but it was probably not the reason that Israel was created.
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Old 11-03-2014, 06:46 AM
 
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On November 2, 1917, the Balfour Declaration was given in a letter from United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Baron Rothschild (Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild), a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. It included the following:

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

Do you think that without this declaration the current Israeli-Palestinian conflict would exist?
Without that declaration Israel would not exist. The British were the seed of the creation of Israel for sure. Although Britain abstained for the UN vote that created the country. The Balfour Declaration did not state that a separate country would or should be created.
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Old 11-03-2014, 06:53 AM
 
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No--the Holocaust and guilt over it might have very well resulted in the necessary international recognition for Israel to be created through a legal, international process (through the UN), but it was probably not the reason that Israel was created.
The UK had a small Jewish community for hundreds of years. In the late 1800s there was massive influx of Jewish people from Russian and Russian occupied countries as they were effectively being thrown out. The incoming Jewish people made the need for housing even worse. The British saw a need for a permanent home for these people.
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Old 11-03-2014, 07:45 AM
 
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On November 2, 1917, the Balfour Declaration was given...
Do you think that without this declaration the current Israeli-Palestinian conflict would exist?
Sure. Same as it existed BEFORE Balfour when it was still called Zionist-Arab conflict...
when western looking authority over these civil matters were the Ottomans
who had welcomed the Zionists to settle there just as enthusiastically.

(It wouldn't be called a Israeli-Palestinian conflict for another 25-40 years)

The specifics and dynamics have changed a lot over the last 100 years...
but the fundamentals haven't changed much at all.
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Old 11-03-2014, 09:12 AM
 
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Do you think that without this declaration the current Israeli-Palestinian conflict would exist?
There are walls around the cities in the Mid-East. That's because from antiquity they've been fighting among themselves over there. If they weren't fighting over Israel they'd find something else to fight about. The Arabs are descended from Ishmael. In Genesis 16:12 the Bible has this to say of Ishmael: "And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him."
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