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Old 08-15-2012, 07:24 AM
 
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What "reality?" I was talking about Soviet times, are you getting confused or what?
Oh. There was no prostitution in Soviet days?


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I was not talking about opinion of "most Europeans," neither it would interest me.
I am interested in opinion of people capable of thinking in depth and independently, no matter what their origin is.
Thinking independently: Russia is still a country with a lot of catching up to do...
Country with no democratic traditions, where human rights are violated daily, dictatorship with obsolete, outdated industry, terrible roads and a lots of poverty, especially in the country...

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Old 08-15-2012, 12:05 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Country with no democratic traditions, where human rights are violated daily, dictatorship with obsolete, outdated industry, terrible roads and a lots of poverty, especially in the country...
What does this have to do with independent thinking? Nothing.
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Old 08-15-2012, 12:08 PM
 
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I was referring to the 90ies, when American model was sold in Russia as "the most successful model."
That's number one, and number two, "wants" and "needs" are two different things.
In Frankfurt I could easily get by without a car, a friend who lives in London is saying the same thing (so I assume all European cities are the same in this respect,) where in the US I couldn't get by without a car, except for New York.
People can live without luxuries, particularly when luxuries for few come at expense of many.
Good point. Even in Western Europe, cars are considered luxuries.
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Old 08-15-2012, 12:10 PM
 
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Mail order brides from Russia is a scam but you have to note that Russian are really desperate to leave the country.
There are no website like this for Czechs or Hungarian girls. Just Russian.
There are for Polish women, someone just posted that on another thread.
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Old 08-15-2012, 12:12 PM
 
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Ha ha. You Russians are hillarious. Look up GDP you don't have to be an economist to grasp the concept or compare GDP'd of America and Russia and draw conclusions
You totally missed my point. Oh well. Not important.
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Old 08-15-2012, 12:14 PM
 
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Oh. There was no prostitution in Soviet days?
Only for the African students, haha! And back then it came under the heading of "dating".
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:15 PM
 
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Good point. Even in Western Europe, cars are considered luxuries.
Really? You think cars in France or Italy or Germany are considered luxuries?
Have you ever been to Western Europe or are they still denying your visa applications?
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:16 PM
 
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Only for the African students, haha! And back then it came under the heading of "dating".
For everybody. This was one of the aspects of life in Soviet Union you could not read about in Pravda


This is so ironic, it is true, you Russians really deserved communism. You prove it over and over again.

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Old 08-15-2012, 01:30 PM
 
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What does this have to do with independent thinking? Nothing.
It has a lot do with objective reality of XXI century Russia. That's all.
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Old 08-15-2012, 02:18 PM
 
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This is what the West would like to believe, but the reality is much more complex than that.
No, that is the opposite what the west would like to believe, which is why there remains decades later sucn an intensive propaganda campaign by the west to blame it entirely on the internal philosophical defects of anything that even smacks of anti-AynRandism.

True, there are additional complexities, because the USSR also did other things wrong downagenda.

However, the evidence is convincing that A) the USSR started from a much weaker economic base than America and her largesse-supported allies and B) the necessity for the USSR to construct a resource-wasting state-of-the-art defense against constant and pee-existing threats of American nuclear attack, as well as two actual wars started by the US on Russia's own continent to obstruct Soviet economic alliances with their neighbors.

It is patently absurd to think that the USSR spent so much of their skimpy and war-weary national resources developing nuclear weapons so they could attack and subjugate, without provocation, an advanced nation that was already decades ahead of them in the capability and actual deployment of nuclear weapons. But this wasting of their national resources they in fact did, for reasons the west would not like us to believe and still refusals to acknowledge, and that virtually assured economic failure.

There is such a theoretical concept as a level playing field. But the US, with an entire untouched continent to exploit and oceanic insulation from outside external enemies, has created a world in which there will never be a level playing field in the present era. Everybody else either becomes a US puppet, or loses, regardless of the merit or the virtue of what they may wish to do. No other nation in the history of the world has ever so greedily and tenaciously and single-mindedly endeavored to seize control of the entire planet, or spent so much resources toward that goal. In the name of anti-socialism.

And that is the real reason for the collapse of the Soviet Union. If you threw a chicken in the fox house, would you need to ask why it failed, or argue that chickenhood is defective and doomed to failure by its very nature?

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