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Old 08-16-2012, 02:39 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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You were just talking about cliches, Europe where from big cities to small towns people use public transportation and not cars, is one of them. False.
Who are all these Europeans who use cars daily (even in the cities)? The urban car owners I've known keep their cars only for weekend excursions, and use public transit during the week. It's a LOT cheaper than commuting by car (and more comfortable), given the price of petrol in Europe.
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Old 08-16-2012, 04:21 PM
 
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Jeffrey Sachs admits that he and the IMF screwed up royally in Russia. The 1998 crisis, loans stolen to beef up oligarchs' and political figures' Swiss Bank accounts, etc. was their fault. He says so in one of his books, ironically named "The End of Poverty".
Its cool that he takes the blame for other people stealing money but the most guilt is on the Russians themselves as they allowed ex-military and ex-KGB to continue ruling the country...
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Old 08-16-2012, 05:31 PM
 
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Its cool that he takes the blame for other people stealing money but the most guilt is on the Russians themselves as they allowed ex-military and ex-KGB to continue ruling the country...
It wouldn't have happened to the extreme extent that it did if the IMF, Sachs & Co. hadn't created favorable conditions for those at the top to pocket the massive amounts of loan and aid money that were coming in.
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Old 08-16-2012, 06:49 PM
 
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It wouldn't have happened to the extreme extent that it did if the IMF, Sachs & Co. hadn't created favorable conditions for those at the top to pocket the massive amounts of loan and aid money that were coming in.

But of course. Most Russians have it ingrained in their mentality that the West is plotting their demise. How about taking for once responsibility for what is hapenning in your own country????
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Old 08-16-2012, 08:51 PM
 
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But of course. Most Russians have it ingrained in their mentality that the West is plotting their demise. How about taking for once responsibility for what is hapenning in your own country????
How about reading about what actually happened? It's really quite fascinating.
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Old 08-16-2012, 08:52 PM
 
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How about reading about what actually happened? It's really quite fascinating.
Do you think there is just one version of these events?
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:03 PM
 
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Why, is yours the Ronald Reagan Fan Club-approved edition?
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:27 PM
 
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But of course. Most Russians have it ingrained in their mentality that the West is plotting their demise.
I never believed it for a second, until I saw what took place in the nineties.

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How about taking for once responsibility for what is hapenning in your own country????
You are directing this question to wrong people; you should direct it to someone like Mr. Putin.
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:44 PM
 
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I never believed it for a second, until I saw what took place in the nineties.
Rebel, didn't your Soviet Studies or Russian History class teach you that there was an Intelligentsia that didn't believe anything the gov't told them, a dissident movement, a Russian bard movement around popular dissident musicians, and so forth? You should know this stuff. Besides, in the 80's the whole propaganda machine was pretty much over, anyway. After the free-wheeling (for youth, in some ways) 70's, it had no credibility left, hardly.

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You are directing this question to wrong people; you should direct it to someone like Mr. Putin.
Putin doesn't know how to do things differently, being a product of the old system , and highly invested in it.
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Old 08-17-2012, 12:52 AM
 
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You really talk like someone who never traveled anywhere and never see anything... First of all Europe is not just big cities with excellent public transportation - plenty of people live in small towns where cars are a much a necessity as they are in the US. Second, streets of every big European city are filled with cars, all my European friends have cars, each and every one of them. None of them filthy rich
You were just talking about cliches, Europe where from big cities to small towns people use public transportation and not cars, is one of them. False.
Here is something for you;

//www.city-data.com/forum/europ...l#post25676276

It's not that I never traveled anywhere, it's you who make conclusions on a basis of very limited observations - few people you know/met to be precise. That's the problem.
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