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Old 08-17-2012, 11:02 PM
 
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My idea of carless Eurorpe hasn't been "shut down" as you claim, since the NY Times article proved rather the opposite.

Let me repost it for you, just in case you've missed it;

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/27/sc...pagewanted=all
The article talks about big cities and not the entire Europe. You had several Europeans tell you how absurd your post is and you still don't get it. What's wrong with you?

Question for Europeans on car ownership

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Old 08-17-2012, 11:05 PM
 
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The beauty of Soviet propaganda is that after a while lies became truth repeated by everybody.... West waiting to attack while location of Soviet tank division in Soviet Block countries bordering NATO countries suggested the opposite and the feeling of overall intellectual supremacy as in "we may not have created a personal computer" but our technology is still superior...
You still believe that, don't you?
I have no idea what you're babbling on about. And btw, it was Lenin who said if you repeat a "fact" often enough (in the media), the public will believe it.

What is this, a little personal crusade of yours? Debunking everyone's supposed propaganda but your own?
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Old 08-17-2012, 11:06 PM
 
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Ruth, when I'm saying that someone like Putin has to take responsibility of what happened in the 90ies, is because he was one of those people close to power, that plundered the country at that point. He was an inseparable part of it.
All the changes came really from above, not below, the only choice that general population could do at that point, was to vote for Yeltzin instead of Gorbachev, and Yeltzin turned out to be a puppet in the hands of American economic advisers and the greed of upper echelon of communist/KGB bosses.
So general population had no knowledge or control over this unholy alliance between Americans and their own kniving government, hence it can't be hold responsible for what took place in the nineties. Putin however ( and some other people that are still in his government) can be and should be.
How come Czechs, Poles or Hungarians took control of their countries while Russians couldn't but nstead keep on blaming the west for all evild like it was 1954?
You don't even realize that you do what Soviet propaganda did for decades: blame the west.?

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Old 08-17-2012, 11:10 PM
 
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So general population had no knowledge or control over this unholy alliance between Americans and their own kniving government, hence it can't be hold responsible for what took place in the nineties. Putin however ( and some other people that are still in his government) can be and should be.
This is true. Yeltsin was considered to be pro-democracy, people were giddy. What do you think of his dismissal of Parliament?
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Old 08-17-2012, 11:12 PM
 
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I have no idea what you're babbling on about. And btw, it was Lenin who said if you repeat a "fact" often enough (in the media), the public will believe it.

What is this, a little personal crusade of yours? Debunking everyone's supposed propaganda but your own?
Your Lenin said many stupid things but this particular quote is attributed to Goebbels:

http://thinkexist.com/quotation/-if_...ng/345877.html
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Old 08-17-2012, 11:14 PM
 
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How come Czechs, Poles or Hungarians took control of their countries while Russians couldn't and instead keep on blaming the west for all evil like iit was 1954? You don't even realize that you do what Soviet propaganda did for decades: blame the west.?
The IMF has trashed other countries besides Russia, it's not about blaming the West. The IMF needs to be redirected. J. Stieglitz tried, and was kicked out. In Poland, the conditions were different, so the IMF/Sachs plan worked there.

uh...why is he "my" Lenin? He did have a pretty good nationalities policy and a radical women's policy, though, I must say. And don't forget the NEP! Lenin was very interesting in some ways. But he fell into disfavor immediately after the crash. You really are out of the loop...
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Old 08-17-2012, 11:21 PM
 
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The IMF has trashed other countries besides Russia, it's not about blaming the West. The IMF needs to be redirected. J. Stieglitz tried, and was kicked out. In Poland, the conditions were different, so the IMF/Sachs plan worked there.
Sure. The conditions were different in Poland and Czech Republic. Only poor Russians couldn't do anything. Stop blaming others...

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Old 08-17-2012, 11:21 PM
 
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Your Lenin said many stupid things but this particular quote is attributed to Goebbels:

Joseph Goebbels quotes
Well, it just goes to show that if you move far enough to the right on the one hand, and far enough left on the other, you meet at the end, because the continuum isn't a straight line, it's a loop.
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Old 08-17-2012, 11:26 PM
 
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Well, it just goes to show that if you move far enough to the right on the one hand, and far enough left on the other, you meet at the end, because the continuum isn't a straight line, it's a loop.
Goebbels was not on the right, he was a national socialist and that silly convergence theory you quoted has been discredited decades ago lol

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Old 08-17-2012, 11:35 PM
 
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Sure. The conditions were different in Poland and Czech Republic. Only you couldn't do anything. Stop blaming others...
I don't recall wanting to do anything. I take it you're a fan of IMF policies?
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