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For me, it would be anything before I was born. So 1989 or earlier. I think the 90's was the beginning of how things are now in a lot of ways too, a lot of the current trendlines started or became noticeable in 1990 or shortly afterwards. A world with the Soviet Union and before computers and Internet were widely used seems downright old-fashioned from a 2010s perspective too.
As in truly old fashioned though? Maybe up to the early 1960s with some traces as late as about 1974, is what I'd consider truly classical. For example the films and TV from the 1960s still seem pseudo-Victorian.
For the average follower of "pop" culture and "pop" wisdom, the "old days" end when life forces them to shoulder the commitments and responsibilities of adulthood --- it really is that simple.
I would say anything prior to 1945. That's when WWII ended and the United States became prosperous and began to fully recovered from the Depression. The Depression and war delayed modernization to a great extent.
I was born in 1976. I'd say pre- World War II. You see the seeds of a massive cultural seachange in the 1950s (embodied in the Beats and other fringe counter cultural folks), which blosssomed in the 1960s and which still dominates our times today. We are more or less still following hippie patterns of thought and behavior. If it's not noticeable, it's because it has become the dominant culture that premeates everything, like the air we breathe.
I was born in the mid 30's so the "old days" were the 40's & 50's. The hippie era came and went and many of us paid no attention as it was just another fad. JMO
I think a lot of you have some good ideas. My dad always said he thinks things started to change after the Kennedy assasination in 1963. 1963 was a lot closer to 1950 than 1969-1970. So '63 is a good starting point. By the late 60's a totally different society was coming into being. I like what the person above said concerning the culture of the world today being that hippy culture only we don't notice it because modern liberalism IS the culture now. I believe that's correct and Robert Bork would agree with you. Slouching Towards Gomorrah: Modern Liberalism and American Decline: Robert H. Bork,Robert H. Bork: 9780060987190: Amazon.com: Books
I believe the big demarcation date between the last vestiges of traditional Catholic/Christian Western Civilization can be traced to one specific day in history. Of course you must realize that the creation of this moment was a few centuries in the making whose turning point to inevitable victory were the masonic priciples and conquest of the 1789 French Revolution.
October 9, 1958 is a key date. That's the date of the death of Pope Pius XII.
But the most key date of all is October 28, 1958. That's when the freemasonic agent Angello Roncalli usupred the Papacy with his co-conspiritors who infiltrated the Church and took the name John XXIII. No Pope took the name John since John the XXII who was an anti-Pope. He than called Vatican II which has devestated the Roman Church.
This is the "gist" of the unreleased portion of the true 3rd secret of Fatima. The one with the words of the Mother of God. The one that was to be released by 1960, because it would be clearer than, the same year that Vatican Council II was publicly announced.
The Council actually took place from 1962-1965. That's significant. My dad said 1963 and thought the Kennedy assasination was the impetus for the societal changes. But the hippy culture and protests that we associate with the Vietnam War (police action) in the U.S. were actually taking place all over Western Europe as well. For this reason Robert Bork in his book "Slouching Towards Gommorah" reasons that the Vietnam War could not have been the sole reason because these changes taking place were taking place all over Western Civilization.
I would argue that the common cause was the chastisement from heaven, the 3rd secret which predicted the apostasy in the Church had commenced. Just as the hidden prophecy says.
1958-1965 was the transition period from one culture, way of life, to another. By 1966, a year after the Council ended you saw things beginning to change more rapidly. By 1969 when the new mass was instituted all over the world you were dealing with a new world. The old order had almost completely been replaced. Culturally, technology aside, the culture we live in today would be almost incomprehensible to someone who died in Western society in 1958 or before.
But 1958 is the year you're looking for for the demarcation date. From 1958-1965 was the transition phase. Now you live in an almost unbelievable state of society. As in the days of Noah so will it be...
I know this answer is not something you expected and seems to come out of left field but I really believe it is the correct answer.
Now someone would need to write books on the forces at work to produce October of 1958 -1965. But '58 is the year I would demarcate the end of the "old days".
Let me leave you with this. The funeral parade of President Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1945 IN COLOR:
This is 13 years before the death of Pope Pius XII in 1958. Look at the people: their dress, their comportment & their behavior. This is a small glimpse into the final years of the last vestige of a civilized Christian society & culture.
I would say that WWII was the turning point. Mainly because it marked the onset of it being acceptable for women to work outside the home. Not only did they get jobs for the war effort, but because a lot of them were widows and had to work.
Back in the old days when you first started this thread, I would have said one thing. Now with the passage of time my opinions have changed.
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