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Old 08-20-2012, 01:37 PM
 
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You certainly seem desperate for a foe,
Not particularly, but you seem desperate for my attention and to derail this thread.

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but sorry, you have misidentified me as one.
I have clearly got you pegged for trolling and trying to derail the thread.

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I am not your devil, nor your destiny in this thread.
LETS BE CLEAR ON 1 THING.

I'm not the one putting a gun to your head asking you to post here. I wouldn't give a d@mn if every single trace of you was wiped off the face of the earth.

YOU ARE NOTHING TO ME!

If you don't like the thread, don't post genius.

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Perhaps you could advertise for some "hordes" with whom to exchange blows in this thread.
Well one things for sure, I don't have to advertise for any creepy stalkers.
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Old 08-20-2012, 01:43 PM
 
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I generally defer to Dave Chappelle in such matters. I also tend to discredit posters who quote themselves.
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Old 08-20-2012, 01:46 PM
 
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I generally defer to Dave Chappelle in such matters. I also tend to discredit posters who quote themselves.
Don't see what Chappelle or quoting oneself has to do with the thread but thanks for bump anyways.
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Old 08-20-2012, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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I think your thread would need to be on rails first before someone could derail it.

In that no one has demonstrated any interest in brawling with you on this subject, you are throwing round house punches at anyone available, in this case me.

And since I am nothing to you (made clear by your use of CAPS) I do not expect a reply to this post.

Anyway, good luck, I hope you find some Afrocentrists with whom to stage the fight you so badly desire.

Won't trouble you any further.
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Old 08-20-2012, 01:51 PM
 
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Won't trouble you any further.
Sayonara!
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Old 08-21-2012, 01:14 PM
 
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OK, time to get rolling.

I earlier alluded to the Moynihan Report which in addition to suggesting some of the negative side effects due to public assistance, also linked the prevalence of female headed households to slavery.

The author of Roll Jordan Roll, Eugene D. Genovese, is critical of this linkage.

It would be harder to crunch the data numbers on slave families but Geno notes that during the Union occupation and Reconstruction many freedmen rushed to legalize their marriages. Geno also mentions studies that suggest even during slavery, one of the main motives for running away was to find missing relatives.

Even after Reconstruction, Geno notes that the family structure, particularly in the south was pretty solid. So it seem that it was in the northern urban areas, with the way the welfare system was setup, that female headed households started to increase.

I am pretty much in agreement with Geno that the way welfare was structured, it had caused some undesirable side effects.

I am making this point because many have seen family structural problems being caused by slavery and in a way this kind of implies, "the situation has always been this way, its the norm" and I'm glad Geno points out this is not necessarily the case.

Moynihan points out that the way welfare is structured, it sets up a situation in which males in particular might not develop the skills needed to maintain a job that can support a family.

I think lack of family cohesion also hurts in another way. A lot of small businesses are family owned and these kind of businesses often provide goods & services for many immigrant communities that the general society either can not or does not serve. Small businesses can also provide employment for people who likewise might encounter difficulties with employment in the general society. Small businesses can also provide wealth that can be passed down the generations.

In the Libya thread, I recently posted about a conference which featured many scholars who appear to be or have been affiliated with HBCUs. It might be an illuminating project if some ambitious grad student at an HBCU decided to research the entrepreneurship rates among African Americans since Reconstruction to the present day. It would also be interesting to see if there is a relationship between communities that have a certain percentage of married families and said communities rate of entrepreneurship and small business ownership.

Neither Geno nor Moynihan seemed to have wanted to abolish all government assistance, but they did seem to have certain undesirable effects that may help one to understand today's situation.
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Old 08-22-2012, 06:38 AM
 
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Neither Geno nor Moynihan seemed to have wanted to abolish all government assistance
Right wing government assistance = the military and prison.
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:26 AM
 
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Right wing government assistance = the military and prison.
Wow. Insightful. Thank you, DailyKos.
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Old 08-23-2012, 02:43 PM
 
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For instance its common for Americans to frame the various divisions of society in terms of Republican vs. Democrat; liberals vs. conservatives; left wing vs. right wing; North/Northerners vs South/Southerners; Blue State vs. Red State (again see 2 factions to see how far back notions of blue vs. red goes); It is virtually impossible for many to see the world outside these parameters. In fact one can call this particular worldview Amerocentrism.
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Right wing government assistance = the military and prison.
I rest my case.

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Wow. Insightful. Thank you, DailyKos.
You tell him, Big George.

Ah, America. Home , bitter sweet home.
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Old 08-24-2012, 05:48 PM
 
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Afro-centrism does not equal afro-nazism, the key behind afro-centrism is do study the Africa diaspora from an Afro-centric view. The majority of this world's population has melanin in their skin, but the representation across the board in the western society is euro-centric. Alot of our history has either been ignored or destroyed, though it is/was a rich with information, so its up to us to find it and study it in our way.
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