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Old 09-07-2012, 07:38 PM
 
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The two-faced eagle had nothing to do with Nazism.
It came from Bizantium and later became the most powerful Heraldic sign in the world, as it represented the union of the Sacred Roman Germanic Empire (Hapsburg) with the Spanish Monarchy, a large chunk of the planet.


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Old 09-08-2012, 03:37 AM
 
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a large chunk of the planet.
Including Russia for about a thousand years.

The first one:



Official coat of arms today:

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Old 09-08-2012, 11:20 AM
 
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XV century, copied from the Byzantine two-faced eagle.
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Old 09-08-2012, 01:10 PM
 
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XV century, copied from the Byzantine two-faced eagle.
That's right, because Russia inherited its church from Byzantium, and Russia is actually the Third Rome.
The way I see it now, the Third Reich was fighting that "historical mistake" and it was planning to replace The Third Rome, becoming the new Empire, the New Third Rome.
The plan didn't work out however, there for we can safely come the conclusion that Russia as a Third Empire was not a mistake.
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Old 09-09-2012, 08:28 AM
 
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Been interested in a Military Channel show called Nazi Collaborators. They've shown several countries that willingly, without any threats of violence from Nazi troops, committed acts of rape, torture, and mass murder of their own Jewish neighbors. Some were so vicious and violent that theNazis felt they had to take control of them befor they got out of hand. Troops from these countries willingly went into other countries to exterminate Jews. Lithuania was one of these countries.

Does any one have a list of nations that willingly worked with Nazis to exterminate Jews?

Just about German allies or-occupied countries, except Denmark and Italy
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Old 09-09-2012, 09:49 AM
 
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Three questions.

First, I think I read somewhere that Facist Italy (Mussolini) at first refused to give the Jews over to the Nazis. They later caved in, presumably as Italy began to weaken. Does anybody know if this is true?

Second, I have never read anything about what happened to the Jews in neutral Spain and Portugal. The Jewish populations were probably not that high in these countries but I am still wondering what the attitudes of their governments were --- especially Franco in Spain.

Third, what happened to the Jews in Finland? German ally in WW2 but stil independent.
I'm not entirely sure on this. Though while the Germans and Finns fought alongside each other against the Soviets in the Continuation War, The Finnish never had an offical alliance with Germany. My understanding is that the Finns were in a rough spot, so while they didn't want to be allies, they weren't in the position to say "no". I don't think the Finnish government liked Nazi polices.
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Old 09-09-2012, 11:38 AM
 
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That's right, because Russia inherited its church from Byzantium, and Russia is actually the Third Rome.
The way I see it now, the Third Reich was fighting that "historical mistake" and it was planning to replace The Third Rome, becoming the new Empire, the New Third Rome.
The plan didn't work out however, there for we can safely come the conclusion that Russia as a Third Empire was not a mistake.

A more materialistic reason.....a distant niece of the last emperor of Constantinople married Ivan III some 500 years ago. As to the "third Rome fightinG the third reich"....sounds like "predator against alien XII".
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Old 09-09-2012, 11:52 AM
 
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Second, I have never read anything about what happened to the Jews in neutral Spain and Portugal. The Jewish populations were probably not that high in these countries but I am still wondering what the attitudes of their governments were --- especially Franco in Spain.


Jews that ended in Spain during the war are now in the US for the most part. Jews that lived in Spain at that time were few. I know Lluis Bassat Coen, descendant of Catalan Sephardic Jews, so he's considered Catalan above all. He was born in Barcelona in 1941, he owns Bassat Ogilvy, a large advertising company. Franco protected Jews. Another thing is descendants of Jews or "cryptojews", there are entire cities and towns, certain number of families have returned to their faith after more than 500 years. There's a rumor that the Gestapo had lists of cryptojews, but that's nonsensical and they would have to include Franco himself.

Mussolini protected Jews, his lover, Clara Petacci, was Jewish, but Italy was occupied by Germans.
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Old 09-09-2012, 12:53 PM
 
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A more materialistic reason.....a distant niece of the last emperor of Constantinople married Ivan III some 500 years ago. As to the "third Rome fightinG the third reich"....sounds like "predator against alien XII".
Both statements prove superficiality of your knowledge, which you exhibit time after another on variety of subjects.
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Old 09-09-2012, 04:27 PM
 
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. As to the "third Rome fightinG the third reich"....sounds like "predator against alien XII".
I agree. Its not like one was morally better than the other.
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