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Old 08-31-2012, 02:39 PM
 
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Does any one have a list of nations that willingly worked with Nazis to exterminate Jews?
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Soviet Union helped indirectly by kicking out some Jews to Poland shortly before the war (and their death).

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Old 08-31-2012, 03:38 PM
 
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Where did you see me blaming them???
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The answer is really simple, actually - all that experienced significant Jewish presence.

There was something truly ugly in Jews of the time - ugly enough for people in different countries refusing to tolerate them.

Soviet Union helped indirectly by kicking out some Jews to Poland shortly before the war (and their death).








....must be Stormfronts virtual Friday
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Old 08-31-2012, 04:31 PM
 
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*Sigh*

This is the time lime of Jewish persecution through centuries

Jewish Persecution | Timeline of Judaism | History of AntiSemitism

Persecution of Jews is nothing new in history and no, they don't have to be "ugly," but one has to believe that they "use the blood of Christian babies" for their potions or what's not, or that they "bring the plague" to their neighbors. Good enough to set the mob off.

( as far as I am concerned, it's all biblical and quite prophetic.)

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Old 08-31-2012, 04:34 PM
 
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Like Yeahhhh!

We don't talk about the war against Tojo, we talk about the against Japan. We don't say the Korean war was fought against Kim Ill Sung and we certainly didn't call the war in Vietnam the War Against Uncle Ho!
Yes. We don't talk about wars against any COUNTRIES here at all.


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Yes there was resistance within all the occupied countries and yes Italy and France in particular were reluctant to deport the Jews, but the fact remains their governments be that legitimate or not
What governments? Was there a government of German occupied Holland or Poland?

Something tells me you have no idea about realities of occupied Europe.

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Old 08-31-2012, 06:50 PM
 
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Well although it's true to some degree that Jews often think about themselves as "chosen people" ( i.e. special) and keep together as a group separately from the "goim" ( non-Jews,) which in its turn brings a lot of suspicion and resentment among the mentioned "goim," the assimilated Jews often encounter the same hatred just for a fact that they are Jews, whether they believe that they are "chosen ones" or not.
That was definitely a case in atheist SU, because plenty of Russians are anti-Semitic in their nature.
( Not all of course, but plenty)

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Oh, that's already a simple fact of human envy, where all the negative traits are ascribed to particular ethnicity ( think Armenians - they were the next ones on the list.)
It's not like Jewish bankers were better or worse than any other bankers of the world.
However when they were successful, the "goim" might have felt that being Jewish, they didn't deserve such grace in the eyes of the Lord and that was making them even more angry and envious.

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Old 08-31-2012, 07:26 PM
 
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Well although it's true to some degree that Jews often think about themselves as "chosen people" ( i.e. special) and keep together as a group separately from the "goim" ( non-Jews,) which in its turn brings a lot of suspicion and resentment among the mentioned "goim," the assimilated Jews often encounter the same hatred just for a fact that they are Jews, whether they believe that they are "chosen ones" or not.
That was definitely a case in atheist SU, because plenty of Russians are anti-Semitic in their nature.
( Not all of course, but plenty)



Oh, that's already a simple fact of human envy, where all the negative traits are ascribed to particular ethnicity ( think Armenians - they were the next ones on the list.)
It's not like Jewish bankers were better or worse than any other bankers of the world.
However when they were successful, the "goim" might have felt that being Jewish, they didn't deserve such grace in the eyes of the Lord and that was making them even more angry and envious.
Its not that Jews think they are chosen-so do Christians. The point is that because Jews in Europe were in general not assimilating and marrying from their group and often use their own language (jiddish) they were perceived as a foreign group of different ethnicity. Their loyalty to host nations and states were often questioned and when many Jews started their flirt with socialism which in many cases was against nationalism and independent countries and in favor of world revolution they started to be seen as traitors and collaborators, enemies of host states.
What most people forget is that American Jews are first American and then Jewish while European Jews were first Jewish and then French, German or Russian.
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Old 08-31-2012, 07:39 PM
 
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The point is that because Jews in Europe were in general not assimilating and marrying from their group and often use their own language (jiddish) they were perceived as a foreign group of different ethnicity.
Pretty damned hard to assimilate, intermarry, when it was against the law for centuries to do so. By the way, the word is Yiddish and it didn't develop as a language amongst Ashkenazi Jews in Central Europe until sometime in the 10th century.


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Their loyalty to host nations and states were often questioned and when many Jews started their flirt with socialism which in many cases was against nationalism and independent countries and in favor of world revolution they started to be seen as traitors and collaborators, enemies of host states.
Do you just make this stuff up as you go?

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What most people forget is that American Jews are first American and then Jewish while European Jews were first Jewish and then French, German or Russian.
I have a few Hasidim friends you need to meet. In the case of German and French Jews is that they made the fatal mistake of believing that they were French or German First and many how had abandoned theism all together barely considered themselves Jews to begin with which is why so many German and French Jews made no effort to leave until it was too late.
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Old 08-31-2012, 07:59 PM
 
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Its not that Jews think they are chosen-so do Christians.
I was talking specifically about Russian/Soviet Jews, since I was addressing my post to Russiaonline.
I don't know about the other ones.

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What most people forget is that American Jews are first American and then Jewish while European Jews were first Jewish and then French, German or Russian.
However at the beginning of the Soviet Era, they considered themselves first of all "Soviet" and only after that - Jewish. ( Not all of them, but definitely certain part.)
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Old 08-31-2012, 07:59 PM
 
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Pretty damned hard to assimilate, intermarry, when it was against the law for centuries to do so. By the way, the word is Yiddish and it didn't develop as a language amongst Ashkenazi Jews in Central Europe until sometime in the 10th century.
That's a thousand years ago although I am almost sure it was later than X century.


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Do you just make this stuff up as you go?
What exactly did I make up? Jewish flirt with socialism? What are kibbutzes if not socialist experiments?

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I have a few Hasidim friends you need to meet. In the case of German and French Jews is that they made the fatal mistake of believing that they were French or German First and many how had abandoned theism all together barely considered themselves Jews to begin with which is why so many German and French Jews made no effort to leave until it was too late.
I don't agree. I know quite a few French Jews and they always say that French are stupid, they don't feel French at all.
What does it mean to be a Jew? Many do not light candles yet still considered themselves Jewish. You can be an atheist and still Jewish. I know a few too.

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Old 08-31-2012, 08:06 PM
 
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What exactly did I make up? Jewish flirt with socialism. What are kibbutzes if not socialist experiments?
To YOU it's an experiment, to THEM it's a way of life.
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