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Old 09-28-2012, 08:58 AM
 
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Have there been any recent precedents of a nation taking or accepting territory as default payment for any kinds of economic debts?
None that I can think of. Any territorial changes in the past 100+ years have pretty much been the result of war, revolution or dissolution. I can't even think of an example in that timeframe of one nation buying territory from another unless you want to count leases for things like mineral rights or military bases.
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Old 10-02-2012, 11:53 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Our retirees' breakfast group this morning was speculating that if the USA continues going into debt to China as it has, China before many years may demand to take Hawaii and Alaska or other states from us as payment for our enormous debts.
California is the most obvious state to be taken over by the Chinese given its debt crisis and how much of it is already Chinese owned.

Or the Chinese will just take the nuclear arsenal
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Old 10-03-2012, 12:21 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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The USA has been on a course to run aground for quite some time. That course has greatly accelerated in the past 10 years or so. I do not see the US continuing as we know it, beyond another 20 to 30 years if that long .Our society as a whole seems to be crumbling. Our economy we are so in debt and owe so much to China. I don't see how we can get out from under. Our future generation the next one, how will they survive in this mess we have. The demise seems to have been allowed to happen for whatever reasons I don't know. I also think the World Community will literally demand that the USA has less power, control and dominance on International affairs. We have angered much of the world for quite some time. China will become the dominant power on this earth at some point, and I think most people are terrified of that fact.

I certainly hope none of this will ever happen, but how can it not with our current society. Its as if the US gave up, sort of like a very depressed person.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:09 AM
 
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It won't last forever, that is for sure.
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Old 10-03-2012, 09:08 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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Im not sure the USA is classed as an 'empire'?????? It is just a very large country, to be an empire dont you have to govern foreign coutries??
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Old 10-03-2012, 09:26 AM
 
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What does this have to do with history?
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Old 10-05-2012, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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The demise of America is much more eminent than most realize. I give it to next Tuesday.
Not quite, wrong Tuesday. The beginning of the end could start on the first Tuesday in November.

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The answer to that question depends in great part on who wins the upcoming election.
If there is no change it will be the end of the American Republic as we know it. If we are fortunate we may exist miserably in a society similar to that of one of the Euro-Socialist nations, with some degree of freedom. If not, we will become a clone of the old Soviet Union. However, before that happens there will be insurrection, revolution, or perhaps even an all out Right vs. Left civil war that totally changes our nation forever.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:53 PM
 
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Default Democracy Countdown

I received the following in an e-mail in 2008.


HOW LONG DO WE HAVE?

About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:

'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.'

'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.'

'From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.'

'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years.'

'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:


1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
[SIZE=2]2. From spiritual faith to great courage;[/SIZE][SIZE=2]

3. From courage to liberty;

4.From liberty to abundance;

5. From abundance to complacency;

6. From complacency to apathy;
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[SIZE=2]7. From apathy to dependence:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]8. From dependence back into bondage.'[/SIZE][SIZE=2][/SIZE]

Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, believes the United States is now somewhere between the 'complacency and apathy' phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the 'governmental dependency' phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:11 AM
 
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As long as we are able to keep those barbarian Canadian hordes on their side of the border, we should be okay.
They wouldn't dare. I'm sure they're quite annoyed seeing us grow so exponentially so quickly while they have maintained a humble stature (however they are an economic power). Also, for the most part the USA ignores Canada.
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Old 11-22-2012, 09:40 AM
 
Location: SW MO
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I honestly believe that by about the year 2050, America will be almost unrecognizable compared to its past. But then, I have been cognizant of the lessons found in The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire for decades. Half or better of our population loves to "celebrate our diversity" without any consideration for our language, customs, society or predominant culture; those things that, in the past, have made us a great nation. So long as that continues, America as it was founded is bound to ultimately become virtually unrecognizable. For me, the good news is that I'm old enough that I won't be around to see it. As for the matter of China taking over certain existing states, I say give them California.
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