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Clinton allowed Al Queda to thrive and become a force to reckon with. Democrats (especially Obama) sweep things under the rug which reveal themselves later (9/11).
It is legal for any state to peacefully secede from the United States.
Not on its own. Secession would require the permision of the states to be left behind. The United States is a perpetual union. Once you're in, you can't just up and leave again without going through proper procedures.
Clinton allowed Al Queda to thrive and become a force to reckon with. Democrats (especially Obama) sweep things under the rug which reveal themselves later (9/11).
al Qaeda grew up out of poorly crafted US exits from Afghanistan and Iraq, each of which had been botched and bungled by Republicans. Clinton had to create and stand up US response units from scratch, taking shots at such as bin Laden when and where he could, efforts that were routinely labeled by Republicans as mere "wag the dog" attempts to deflect attention from the REAL issue of the day -- Monica Lewinsky. After the 2000 election, the Clinton transition team warned incoming Bush people that terrorism would be the #1 problem they would face. The new administration simply ignored that advice. When the CIA delivered in February 2001 its final report on responsibility for the attack on the USS Cole, Bush and Cheney declared the matter old and outdated, and simply walked away from it. It took 9/11 for the Bush administration to suddenly realize that Clinton had been right and that they had screwed up. Hardly for the first or last time either, as it turned out. Indeed, when reviewing candidates for the title of "Worst President Ever", George W Bush would have to receive a great deal of consideration. Not many others have messed up as many things or as badly as he did.
Not on its own. Secession would require the permision of the states to be left behind. The United States is a perpetual union. Once you're in, you can't just up and leave again without going through proper procedures.
What would those proper procedures be? Where does one go to find them?
Not on its own. Secession would require the permision of the states to be left behind. The United States is a perpetual union. Once you're in, you can't just up and leave again without going through proper procedures.
But there are legal procedures for leaving the Union.
But there are legal procedures for leaving the Union.
You've said this twice without even a hint of evidence to support such an outlandish statement. Supreme Court Justices have made public statements that the issue of secession was settled on April 9, 1865 at Appomattox Court House.
There is absolutely nothing in the Constitution about secession. If you have some laws about it, post links. So far, I don't believe there are any.
You've said this twice without even a hint of evidence to support such an outlandish statement. Supreme Court Justices have made public statements that the issue of secession was settled on April 9, 1865 at Appomattox Court House.
There is absolutely nothing in the Constitution about secession. If you have some laws about it, post links. So far, I don't believe there are any.
That's what I figured. You've got NOTHING. A petition to the White House means absolutely nothing. Where are the LAWS? You're the one that said it was legal. Show what you've got to defend your statement that secession is legal.
(BTW, the only petition to the White House that accomplished anything was the one asking for the beer recipes used to make the brew used at the beer summits.)
Incidentally, what makes those petitioners think the President has the authority to sign a Secession Order?
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