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Old 12-12-2012, 08:52 PM
 
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I'd rather see us spending money to investigate space than continue on wasting money on welfare/EBT cards and Section 8 housing...
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Shanghai
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I'd rather see us spending money to investigate space than continue on wasting money on welfare/EBT cards and Section 8 housing...
How about spending more on military than the next nine countries combined?
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Old 12-13-2012, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Gila County Arizona
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To my mind. it was simply a GIANT jobs program.

We went, got a shoe box full of neat photos, and then what....

Boy, I sure wish we had that money now.

Total waste.
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Old 12-13-2012, 09:25 AM
 
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How about spending more on military than the next nine countries combined?
Military applications spill over into the civilian sector...

What is the ROI on welfare, EBT cards and section 8 housing other than to keep generations of people poor?

How many people do the poor employ? What jobs do they create? What is their contribution to society?

Mankind needs to move off this mudball, it needs something to look forward to other than the SOS of religious wars, political wars, poverty wars, drug wars and racial wars...
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Old 12-13-2012, 01:48 PM
 
Location: OC, California
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I would like to see people land on the moon again, for there is a whole generation which I am part of that were born after the last mission there.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:36 PM
 
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Military applications spill over into the civilian sector...

What is the ROI on welfare, EBT cards and section 8 housing other than to keep generations of people poor?

How many people do the poor employ? What jobs do they create? What is their contribution to society?

Mankind needs to move off this mudball, it needs something to look forward to other than the SOS of religious wars, political wars, poverty wars, drug wars and racial wars...
Everything "spills over" into the civilian sector, including funding you dislike. You can certainly make an argument for funding A over funding B, but "Well, A spills over into the general economy, but I don't like B" is a complete non sequitor.
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Shanghai
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Military applications spill over into the civilian sector...

What is the ROI on welfare, EBT cards and section 8 housing other than to keep generations of people poor?

How many people do the poor employ? What jobs do they create? What is their contribution to society?

Mankind needs to move off this mudball, it needs something to look forward to other than the SOS of religious wars, political wars, poverty wars, drug wars and racial wars...
For people not on welfare, there are benefits to providing economic assistance to the "poor". The benefits include keeping the crime rate managable, social stability, and less costly than incarceration. I do agree that it isn't fair to be required to help people who take advantage of the system, but all of our lives might be more stressful without welfare.

The connection between welfare and crime rates in developed and developing countries would be an interesting research project.
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Old 12-13-2012, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Coeur d'Alene, Idaho
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Sad isn't it?
It's very sad. We went to the moon with less computational power than the laptop I'm typing on or even the cell phone sitting next to me. And it's a feat we haven't repeated for four decades--so it was never done within my own lifetime.

Now we have to deal with NASA administrators telling us that the primary mission is to talk about global warming, make the Muslim world feel good about its contributions and debunk December 21, 2012 myths. And we've dismantled our space program so completely we don't even have space shuttle capabilities anymore.

Sure, robots might be a more efficient means of "exploring" space, but that's no substitute for the psychological factor of actually having human beings out there. "Probes are exiting the solar system." Well great. When will we have extra-solar humans? At this rate, never. We're being timid, not reaching, not taking risks, not expanding our abilities by leaps as far as space is considered, instead we're gingerly taking a few minor steps in that arena and not looking at it as if it could ever be a reality.

Of the 1,650,000 bachelor's degrees conferred in 2009–10, the greatest numbers of degrees were conferred in the fields of business (358,000); social sciences and history (173,000); health professions and related programs (130,000); and education (101,000). Nothing science or even engineering-related.

At the master's degree level, the greatest numbers of degrees were conferred in the fields of education (182,000) and business (178,000).

At the doctor's degree level, the greatest number of degrees were conferred in the fields of health professions and related programs (57,700); legal professions and studies (44,600); education (9,200); engineering (7,700); biological and biomedical sciences (7,700); psychology (5,500); and physical sciences and science technologies (5,100).

So little focus on space has led to little excitement about it amongst those who are achieving even advanced degrees. We're in pitiful condition for making any further strides in human space exploration.

Now that's depressing.

So I'll leave with a little optimism. There are still some students with a vision of viable space exploration. And I'm proud of them. NNU students going back to NASA | KTVB.COM Boise
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Old 12-13-2012, 11:24 PM
 
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The USA is fast becoming a second rate power & welfare state....the days of space travel & such are long past for the kind of nation we are now & will devolve into.
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