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Old 02-09-2013, 10:32 PM
 
Location: MO->MI->CA->TX->MA
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Although it sounds more like wishful thinking but is there any possibility a civilization even more technologically advanced than what we currently have existed many thousands of years in the past?

And that civilization was "destroyed" in some sort of apocalyptic event with very few survivors?

And all history that we know of currently are that of the post-apocalyptic world?
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:20 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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And that civilization was "destroyed" in some sort of apocalyptic event with very few survivors?
Yes, I understand just Larry King and Betty White remain.


As for your hypothesis, your scenario suggests that all evidence of this earlier civilization was destroyed, thus right away we are denied any means for a scientific investigation. The question then simply becomes...is this imaginary scenario possible, whether probable or not?

Well, sure, why not? No reason to believe that it did exist, but no ability to prove that it could not have existed.

Now, suppose you wanted to take this theory and run with it, make a few charlatan bucks and get your fifteen minutes. In that case you go the Erich von Daniken route. You do not begin with the evidence, you begin with your thesis....that there definitely was an advanced but lost civilization before our current one. Then you go looking for the evidence and it becomes a matter of your imagination. Some cave drawing has something blurry in the background, well that looks like someone using a laptop to you. A barren plateau in the middle of nowhere becomes an airport, you know, whatever you find, just look at it until it becomes some sort of fossil from that earlier civilization.
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Old 02-10-2013, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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Then you go looking for the evidence and it becomes a matter of your imagination. Some cave drawing has something blurry in the background, well that looks like someone using a laptop to you. A barren plateau in the middle of nowhere becomes an airport, you know, whatever you find, just look at it until it becomes some sort of fossil from that earlier civilization.
Archaelogical "Magic Eye". Sounds fun.
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Old 02-10-2013, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Delaware
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The likelihood is .94

All you need to do is calculate the -sp formula and add 5.
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Old 02-10-2013, 05:08 PM
 
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Although it sounds more like wishful thinking but is there any possibility a civilization even more technologically advanced than what we currently have existed many thousands of years in the past?
On this planet or within the universe? If the former, I seriously doubt it, as for the latter, the age of the universe and the number of galaxies multiplied by the number of stars makes it an interesting possibility.
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Old 02-10-2013, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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I should have thought of this before....

Why not take this theory and advance it as a refutation of von Daniken , claiming that while the evidence is real, von Daniken misinterpreted it as the work of ancient astronauts. You, however, have figured out that it isn't the debris of ancient extra terrestrial visitors, rather the remains of your vanquished civilization.

All you'd need to do is take von Daniken's books and just go piece by piece through his notion of evidence, and provide your explanation for why it all proves your theory rather than his.

Your book is a best seller, you start getting invited as a guest on talk radio and local television programs...and before you know it you are part of a one hour History Channel special which centers on who is correct, von Daniken or you.
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Old 02-10-2013, 06:50 PM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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Wouldn't some evidence have turned up by now? Surely they must have had some non-biodegradable items.
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Old 02-11-2013, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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I think yes. Here are 10 reasons.

First, who says a technological civilization has to be a global one like ours? What if a technological civilization developed (and stayed) on Antarctica millions of years ago? We'd know absolutely NOTHING about it.

Second, consider how little remains of human existence earlier than only 5000 years ago, and then only in areas that have dry arid environments suitable for long-term preservation. It would be little wonder that nothing concrete has been found yet.

Third, remember that even today the majority of human civilization is near or on the coastlines and that 10,000 years ago the coastlines were 200 ft lower than today. Any cities or ruins older than the end of the last ice age would have been completely washed away.

Fourth, remember anatomically modern humans have been around for as long as 450,000 years. That's enough time for 50 of our civilizations to rise.

Fith, who said technologically advanced civilizations have to be human? If some species of apes randomly evolved to create a technologically advanced civilization today, why could it have not happened before with another speices... or happen again?

Sixth: Modern Archeology is only a century or so old and has an annoying tendency to discount or ignore evidence that deviates from the traditional dogmatic world view of the discipline.

Seventh: Palentologists tell us our entire fossil record only includes a tiny porportion of all like that has existed. By no means do we have a complete picture of the last several 100 million years.

Eighth: What if a prior civilization decided to clean up it's mess and move into space to allow the planet to regenerate? If so, we'd naturally find nothing.

Ninth: Every civilization and time period thought of itself as the pinnacle of creation but it usually wasn't the truth. Who's to say it isn't different this time?

Tenth: Strange things like certain UFO reports hint that we aren't the only technological civilization out there. It would be technically more feasable to leave earth and come back than to cross the impossibly vast distances of the universe and happen upon the planet.

I'm not saying it is that way, I'm just saying there are plenty of valid reasons to question the prevailing opinion on the subject.
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Old 02-11-2013, 05:21 PM
 
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Fith, who said technologically advanced civilizations have to be human? If some species of apes randomly evolved to create a technologically advanced civilization today, why could it have not happened before with another speices... or happen again?

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And here is another fine money making idea, this is an inspiring thread. You could launch a series of novels set in one of these theoretical earlier civilizations, the tales of the Lizard People or Chimp People or Wolf People...whatever. If you get stuck for ideas, just do what Star Trek or numerous other sci fi series have done...create Earthly parallel stories. A portion of the Lizard civilization is taken over by some evil reptile group which fancies itself the master species, and they run around acting a lot like the Nazis, another book has civil rights as the theme and it features a heartbreaking love story between a chameleon and an iguana whose families forbid outside the species romance.

Or, you could go all out with a global war scenario which features two rival non human but intelligent species which clash for world hegemony...the Lizard People vs the Wolf People, like that.
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:07 PM
 
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And here is another fine money making idea, this is an inspiring thread. You could launch a series of novels set in one of these theoretical earlier civilizations, the tales of the Lizard People or Chimp People or Wolf People...whatever. If you get stuck for ideas, just do what Star Trek or numerous other sci fi series have done...create Earthly parallel stories. A portion of the Lizard civilization is taken over by some evil reptile group which fancies itself the master species, and they run around acting a lot like the Nazis, another book has civil rights as the theme and it features a heartbreaking love story between a chameleon and an iguana whose families forbid outside the species romance.

Or, you could go all out with a global war scenario which features two rival non human but intelligent species which clash for world hegemony...the Lizard People vs the Wolf People, like that.
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