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Old 02-14-2013, 09:40 AM
 
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I am increasingly finding this statement popping up on forums particularly those predicting the coming doom of the United States but what I don't find is where it originated from or any significant supporting evidence or argument substantiating its validity.

Any thoughts, proofs, etc.,
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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It's pretty hyperbolic, and usually thrown around by people unhappy with our current administration.
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:10 AM
 
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And it's not even true...
Last I checked China, India, Mesopotamia, Egypt, Rome, Greece all still exist.
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:04 PM
 
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It's pretty hyperbolic, and usually thrown around by people unhappy with our current administration.
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And it's not even true...
Last I checked China, India, Mesopotamia, Egypt, Rome, Greece all still exist.
Well that's pretty much my take on the issue but I was hoping that those who make such statements would come around and try to present some argument sustaining the claim.
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Old 02-14-2013, 08:21 PM
 
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If you measure from the birth of the Roman Republic to the conquest of Constantinople, the Romans as a continually governed civilization lasted for 2,000 years.
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Old 02-14-2013, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna. (birthplace)
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If you measure from the birth of the Roman Republic to the conquest of Constantinople, the Romans as a continually governed civilization lasted for 2,000 years.
Which leads to the point that the proposition is only true depending upon what standards are used; the world is evolving, slowly as always toward something which will diminish the role of the nation/state, or at least, re-define it.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:38 PM
 
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Does anyone have an example of a nation that existed for only 200 years? Doesn't look like it.
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:06 PM
 
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I think its inaccurate to say MOST nations certainly and even so for governments.Lookig at modern times cetainly many have outlasted that by longshot.
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:13 PM
 
Location: Rome, Georgia
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Well, count me in with those that are unhappy with the current administration, but not among those who see it as the nation's downfall. Even the worst possible president is in power for 8 years, first of all. Second, just because I find my own political views to be preferable, it doesn't mean that I find it impossible for the country to be successful if we collectively choose a different route.

To address the OP directly, I suppose it is possible to argue that given all of the world powers that have risen and fallen throughout history that the average is 200-300 years. I don't see how that is applicable to the current situation of the United States, if that's what you are getting at. We'll be okay.
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:17 PM
 
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I guess one example of a 200-year empire would be the Aztec triple alliance, which lasted from the early 1300's to the conquistador age of the early 1500's. But beyond that, there doesn't seem to be anything special about a 200-year interval. Also, some civilizations that get lumped into the "empire" category were not actually empires. Ancient Greece was not an empire; it was a collection of statelets confined mostly to the bottom of the Balkan peninsula and nearby islands. Alexander built an empire, but it split up into smaller empires long before 200 years were up.
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