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Any person who would like to throw doubt on the reality of his historic horror needs to get an old fashioned smack across the face. My parents were all through Europe during the war and my mother crawling through heaps of corpses to find a bit of food was not an imaginary event.
The holocaust should include all of he people who lost their lives due to the insane cult inspired insanity that Germany partook in - that would be well over 30 million people...To be honest with all of you- If I was in power after WW2 - The Germanic tribe that committed and facilitated this unimaginable horror....would have been laid waste - every last man woman and child..every living thing - every building.. The Germans got off easy...They should have been nuked.
As for doubters and deniers of the holocaust and the other millions of deaths who were not Jews..I would say they are dangerous people more than willing to repeat history- to hell with them.
You are worse than anything you described. You so easily cast responsibility and if possible punishment on an entire people when not all participated, knew or supported the Holocaust.
Using your standard, you would be among the first to be eliminated, regardless of the cause or motive.
Oh, I think we've already "Crossed the Rubicon" on these threads when it comes to seeing what people really think, no need to go launching oneself across the Tiber.
If my numbers, vetted and agreed to by the vast majority of researchers and historians are incorrect, then please provide sources on where one can find the "correct" numbers. Just a request though, my workplace won't let me access anything labelled as a "hate site" or "personal blog" so no Storm Front or "blog theory of the week" links.
sorry I don't feel comfortable going on. I'm not going to deceive myself into
thinking there is a free expression of ideas going on here. This is one of
those subjects that are passionately felt and of course it tends to take
away from objective analysis. The authors and sources are there if one
chooses to look and perhaps has sufficient historical foreknowledge intact
to reach his or her own conclusions.
I don't want to post about this subject anymore. It is enough to say
the events of this age are still hotly contested and leave it at that.
. It is enough to say
the events of this age are still hotly contested and leave it at that.
If the above is sufficient, how do you account for all your other contributions to this thread....entirely superfluous? Keyboard accidents? Forced posting at gunpoint?
sorry I don't feel comfortable going on. I'm not going to deceive myself into
thinking there is a free expression of ideas going on here. This is one of
those subjects that are passionately felt and of course it tends to take
away from objective analysis. The authors and sources are there if one
chooses to look and perhaps has sufficient historical foreknowledge intact
to reach his or her own conclusions.
I don't want to post about this subject anymore. It is enough to say
the events of this age are still hotly contested and leave it at that.
Nothing is hotly contested. There isn't one single historian of note who disagree's the Holocaust occurred and the numbers killed. Every single scientific study, historian with credentials which haven't been destroyed, puts the death tolls between 5.8 and 6.2 million. This comes from paperwork by the Nazi's themselves also. And eyewitness accounts of senior Nazi officials who orchestrated the Holocaust.
The only issue in contention here is that of a Holocaust Denier/Revisionist. What is YOUR agenda? That is the only question here.
The reason you don't want to post here anymore is because you cannot defend your position. Your agenda is one of racism, Nazi forgiveness, or some other twisted, sick position. If you feel you have all the evidence, your evidence is sound, and can stand up to scrutiny, you wouldn't run like the coward you and the Nazi's you defend, are.
time constrains me but here is a little on the numbers. Only a small minority of the Jewish community are able to connect themselves directly to German-Jewish history. Out of the 560,000 Jews who lived in Germany in 1933, approximately 300,000 emigrated and about 200,000 were murdered during the Holocaust. The Jewish community in Germany today
You are aware that German Jews weren't the only ones targeted, correct?
Polish and Russian Jews alone account for around 4 million of the total losses. After that Hungary, Romania and Lithuania all account for more Jewish deaths then Germany making up nearly another million between them.
Your first link is to radioislam.org. The site states that it's intent is to inform people about "Jewish power, racism and war mongering lies". The article they are quoting was written by Richard Verrall under the pseudonym Richard Harwood. Richard Verrall is a member of National Front in England, a modern Nazi party. The pamphlet in question was actually the source of a lawsuit brought against the publisher Ernst Zundel by the Canadian government. The lawsuit was dismissed as unconstitutional under Canadian law, but not before the court had found the contents of the pamphlet to be "composed of fabrications and distortions that misrepresented the work of historians, misquoted witnesses, fabricated evidence, and cited non-existent authorities."
You're off to a great start.
Your second link is to rense.com a site run by radiohost Jeff Rense who is a well known conspiracy theorist that dabbles in: 9/11 theories, UFO conspiracy theories, paranormal phenomenon, Holocaust denial, theories of Zionism, pandemics, animal rights and ancient techonology. He has been cited by the Anti-Defamation League as "unique" among conspiracy theory hosts as he constantly features works by anti-semites and national socialist extremists and provides them a platform for their views.
Batting a thousand so far.
The last link is from abundanthope.net. I'm not even sure what that site is about. It seems to be devoted to some form of "Christian" spirituality. It has sections for "telepathic messages" and "advice on becoming a messiah" among others. Outside of that they publish a plethora of articles on their main page addressing such fascinating topics as: "What happened to this supposed sinkhole in Florida", an expose on "John Kerry's Jew Ridden State Department", "Germans were not brutal, court told" (which includes some wonderful statements under the link like, "when are the FKN Jews gonna learn?"), a plethora of articles telling how Bradley Manning should be freed, "The end of the Zio-Satanic Consortium" and "the Jews are celebrating the success of their 9/11 operation on Purim".
Oh, you hit it out of the park, three links all from such "wonderful" and "trustworthy" sources.
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sorry I don't feel comfortable going on. I'm not going to deceive myself into
thinking there is a free expression of ideas going on here. This is one of
those subjects that are passionately felt and of course it tends to take
away from objective analysis. The authors and sources are there if one
chooses to look and perhaps has sufficient historical foreknowledge intact
to reach his or her own conclusions.
I don't want to post about this subject anymore. It is enough to say
the events of this age are still hotly contested and leave it at that.
If this is the level of discourse and free exchange you are looking for, perhaps it is better if you refrained from posting.
ETA: OP, see what I mean about these threads bringing certain people "out of the closet".
time constrains me but here is a little on the numbers.
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Out of the 560,000 Jews who lived in Germany in 1933, approximately 300,000 emigrated and about 200,000 were murdered during the Holocaust.
And the relevance of this is what? No one denies that the number of Jews remaining Germany in 1939 was more than 200,000 remained in Germany and 57,000 in the annexed portion of Austria... so what?
As for you second source (fascinating choice for some with a MA in history) "Radio Islam" neutral? Puleeze
This exodus of Jews before and during hostilities, therefore, reduces the number of Jews in Europe to approximately 5,000,000.Radio Islam
Again, this is not a number in dispute by any significant number as the Anglo-American Inquiry attests.
Where Radio Islam runs afoul in the gross underestimation of Soviet Jewry most of whom were concentrated in the Ukraine, the Baltic states, and the Crimea. That number amounted to 13,560,000. As for the canard that they were under the protection of the Soviet Union... considering the depth of penetration of Operation Barbarossa, what protection would that have been?
The sources at Radio Islam also inflate both the number of refugees for the simple reason that refugees fleeing Nazi occupation was often merely temporary. Portugal accepted 30,000 and were sent to Lisbon for transportation elsewhere. Do we count that 30,000 twice? And what of the refugees who led one occupied country only to find themselves in one soon to meet the same fate? The total number of Jewish refugees that were actually admitted to countries that would never be occupied by the Nazi was no more than 1 million at best.
So, let's see if we can translate. You think the numbers of Holocaust victims have been grossly overestimated so that the Zionist-controlled media could take advantage of the sympathy card to gradually gain world control. That sound about right?
I think care should be taken to give us assurance that that is not what is happening. Only unhampered and empirical examination by all interested parties can give us that assurance.
If he were in a university in Germany or Austria NOW? Could he do? And what would the responses be to that? Just curious.
Am baffled why anyone would do this. There are many historical questions to be investigated; whether the holocaust occurred in Germany during WWII is not one of them.
For your general information "Goyim" = "Gentiles."
Yep, I've seen this crazy stuff in Russian over and over promoted by not less crazy people.
Don't remember the name of this wonderful creation and not sure I want to...
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