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Old 03-24-2013, 02:47 PM
 
Location: NC
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If it wasn't a mistake, why then 65 years later are we still needing another couple of decades for the problem to "sort itself out?"
Sometimes even you do things as directly as you can and you still have problems. The fact is priority judgments were made, and I don't think you can say they were a mistake.

 
Old 03-24-2013, 03:14 PM
 
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...And the OP's name is Snowball and he/she posts a "Why Israel Should Not Exist" Thread.


This is my shocked face.

 
Old 03-24-2013, 03:20 PM
 
Location: North by Northwest
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Coverage by Ynet: DNA study results also backed by archaeological findings:
Debate on European Jews' origin settled? - Israel Jewish Scene, Ynetnews
Coverage by Haaretz:
The Jewish people's ultimate treasure hunt - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper

Gene Study settles debate over origin of European Jews:
Agence-France Press Genes settle debate over origin of European Jews | COSMOS magazine

Mr. Benjamin Freedman, a Jewish industrialist born in New York, wrote in the Economic Council Letter published there of October 15 1947: “These Eastern European Jews have neither a racial nor a historic connection with Palestine. Their ancestors were not inhabitants of the Promised Land. They are the direct descendants of the people of the Khazar Kingdom. The Khazars were a non-Semitic, Turko-Mongolian tribe.”
New DNA Research Confirms That Modern Khazarian “Jews” Are Not the Descendants of Ancient Isrealites or The Seed of Abraham! « Socio-Economics History Blog

In 2001, Dr. Ariella Oppenheim, of Hebrew University, a biologist, published the first extensive study of DNA and the origin of the Jews. Her research found that virtually all the Jews came from Khazar blood. Not only that but Oppenheim discovered that the Palestinians—the very people whom the Jews had been persecuting and ejecting from Israel’s land since 1948—had more Israelite blood than did the Jews. In sum, the vast majority of the Jews were not Jews; some of the Palestinians were. Some of the Palestinians even had a DNA chromosome which established that they were “Cohens”—workers at the ancient Temple and synagogues of the Jews.
The Definitive DNA Study
Now comes the ultimate, definitive DNA study, by Dr. Eran Elhaik and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. Entitled, The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses, and published by the Oxford Journal on behalf of the Society for Molecular Biology and Evolution, the study confirms Oppenheim’s research and the many scholarly books.

Dr. Elhaik and the prestigious Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine conclude in their report: “The Khazarian Hypothesis suggests that Eastern European Jews descended from the Khazars, an amalgam of Turkic clans that settled the Caucasus in the early centuries CE and Converted to Judaism in the eighth century...Following the collapse of their empire, the Judeo-Khazars fled to Eastern Europe. The rise of European Jewry is therefore explained by the contribution of the Judeo-Khazars.”

Related scholarly reading:

Arthur Koestler, The Thirteenth Tribe
The Jewish people's ultimate treasure hunt - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper

Kevin Allan Brook, The Jews of Khazaria
The Jews of Khazaria: Kevin Alan Brook: 9780742549821: Amazon.com: Books

Dr. Schlomo Sand, The Invention of the Jewish People
The Invention of the Jewish People: Shlomo Sand, Yael Lotan: 9781844676231: Amazon.com: Books
Nice job cherry-picking. Most others say otherwise; countless more Y-chromosome/mitochrondial DNA studies show that Ashkenazi Jews are far more closely related to other Jewish groups and Palestinians/Lebanese/other Arabs than Gentile members of their European host nations, much less "Khazars." The Khazar connection has been largely discredited. The vast majority of credible studies say it is tangential at best.

Genetic studies on Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Either way, you don't need to put forth this discredited canard if what you're really trying to say is that the Jewish people have no right to be in Israel.
 
Old 03-24-2013, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Sometimes even you do things as directly as you can and you still have problems. The fact is priority judgments were made, and I don't think you can say they were a mistake.
Serial bloodshed and violence for sixty five years, with no end in sight for another two decades plus, not such a good result, was it? The entire relationship between the western nations and the Islamic world has been defined by and immensely complicated because of this issue, things couldn't have worked out a bit better?

Terrible results flowing from a decision which did not have to be made, but you see no mistake anywhere?
 
Old 03-24-2013, 05:34 PM
 
Location: NC
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Serial bloodshed and violence for sixty five years, with no end in sight for another two decades plus, not such a good result, was it? The entire relationship between the western nations and the Islamic world has been defined by and immensely complicated because of this issue, things couldn't have worked out a bit better?

Terrible results flowing from a decision which did not have to be made, but you see no mistake anywhere?
I see lots of mistakes, but I don't think not defacto extending and expanding the mandate in Palestine was a mistake.
 
Old 03-24-2013, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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I see lots of mistakes, but I don't think not defacto extending and expanding the mandate in Palestine was a mistake.
Right. No chance the world would have been better off without the middle east conflict. Nothing but good has resulted.
 
Old 03-24-2013, 09:53 PM
 
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Research Confirms That Modern Khazarian “Jews” Are Not the Descendants of Ancient Isrealites or The Seed of Abraham!
That's because there was no historical Abraham.

Last edited by griffin96; 03-24-2013 at 10:03 PM..
 
Old 03-25-2013, 02:53 AM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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Originally Posted by Snowball7 View Post
Coverage by Ynet: DNA study results also backed by archaeological findings:
Debate on European Jews' origin settled? - Israel Jewish Scene, Ynetnews
Coverage by Haaretz:
The Jewish people's ultimate treasure hunt - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper

Gene Study settles debate over origin of European Jews:
Agence-France Press Genes settle debate over origin of European Jews | COSMOS magazine

Mr. Benjamin Freedman, a Jewish industrialist born in New York, wrote in the Economic Council Letter published there of October 15 1947: “These Eastern European Jews have neither a racial nor a historic connection with Palestine. Their ancestors were not inhabitants of the Promised Land. They are the direct descendants of the people of the Khazar Kingdom. The Khazars were a non-Semitic, Turko-Mongolian tribe.”
New DNA Research Confirms That Modern Khazarian “Jews” Are Not the Descendants of Ancient Isrealites or The Seed of Abraham! « Socio-Economics History Blog

In 2001, Dr. Ariella Oppenheim, of Hebrew University, a biologist, published the first extensive study of DNA and the origin of the Jews. Her research found that virtually all the Jews came from Khazar blood. Not only that but Oppenheim discovered that the Palestinians—the very people whom the Jews had been persecuting and ejecting from Israel’s land since 1948—had more Israelite blood than did the Jews. In sum, the vast majority of the Jews were not Jews; some of the Palestinians were. Some of the Palestinians even had a DNA chromosome which established that they were “Cohens”—workers at the ancient Temple and synagogues of the Jews.
The Definitive DNA Study
Now comes the ultimate, definitive DNA study, by Dr. Eran Elhaik and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. Entitled, The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses, and published by the Oxford Journal on behalf of the Society for Molecular Biology and Evolution, the study confirms Oppenheim’s research and the many scholarly books.

Dr. Elhaik and the prestigious Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine conclude in their report: “The Khazarian Hypothesis suggests that Eastern European Jews descended from the Khazars, an amalgam of Turkic clans that settled the Caucasus in the early centuries CE and Converted to Judaism in the eighth century...Following the collapse of their empire, the Judeo-Khazars fled to Eastern Europe. The rise of European Jewry is therefore explained by the contribution of the Judeo-Khazars.”

Related scholarly reading:

Arthur Koestler, The Thirteenth Tribe
The Jewish people's ultimate treasure hunt - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper

Kevin Allan Brook, The Jews of Khazaria
The Jews of Khazaria: Kevin Alan Brook: 9780742549821: Amazon.com: Books

Dr. Schlomo Sand, The Invention of the Jewish People
The Invention of the Jewish People: Shlomo Sand, Yael Lotan: 9781844676231: Amazon.com: Books
Those links and books are compelling. However, Palestinian Arabs mohammedans worshiping mohammed and the false god called allah are NOT Israelites, NOT the chosen people to take the place of Jews, nor are they descendants of Ishmael. Israel the land, nor the biblical prophesy estabished from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, not the seat of David, none of it belongs to mohammedan squatters claiming Palestine as the true homeland.

Also, biblical prophesy of Rome, Zionist Jews, and Arab mohammedans have been prophesied in the biblical scriptures, this war that is coming.
 
Old 03-26-2013, 11:18 AM
 
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...And the OP's name is Snowball and he/she posts a "Why Israel Should Not Exist" Thread.


This is my shocked face.


Israel exists. True Israel. The children of God according to the Spirit, not the flesh.
 
Old 03-27-2013, 12:33 PM
 
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Israel exists. True Israel. The children of God according to the Spirit, not the flesh.
And that would be what? ( Or rather who and where?)
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