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Old 04-28-2013, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Maybe someone has already suggested this, but here goes.

I assume this isn't really looking like Bush's decision to invade Iraq, which was an intentional decision based on lies, but not a mistake.

Number One: Johnson knew that Vietnam was both unwinnable and not worth American lives, but he continued to expand our role anyway. If you've ever listened to the tapes of him saying how he knows it's not worth it, it's just heartbreaking. He would have been a great president without Vietnam.

Number Two: Nixon not destroying the tapes. He probably would have survived the presidency if the tapes hadn't gotten out. Setting aside that he was evil to the core, he still could have held onto the office.

LBJ's "Great Society" destroyed the African-American family unit and has helped bring this country to bankruptcy.
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Old 04-29-2013, 02:15 AM
 
Location: Peterborough, England
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Of course there is Lincoln, who started a war that this country has really never recovered from just because some states wanted to exercise their right under the Constitution for the United States of America to leave the agreement.
That's not a mistake, just a policy you happen to disagree with. And given that Republican Congresses supported the war from start to finish (as did many Democrats) there is no reason to think that another POTUS would have acted differently. Even Buchanan refused to recognise the Confederacy or evacuate Sumter, so why expect Lincoln to do so?

BTW Lincoln did not start it. Hostilities were initiated by the South.
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Old 04-29-2013, 12:46 PM
 
Location: The Triad
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BTW Lincoln did not start it. Hostilities were initiated by the South.
Correct. Initiated in 1776.
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Old 04-29-2013, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Metro Phoenix
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Dubya.
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Old 04-29-2013, 01:35 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Correct. Initiated in 1776.


OK. We may disagree on the exact date (by dang near a hunnerd years!)
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Old 04-29-2013, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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How about Bill Clinton signing into law the Molinari Amendment? That was a law that he signed, as a gift to the trial lawyer's lobby, to allow plaintiffs in sexual harassment cases to drag unrelated sexcapades involving the defendant, into court. That was how Monica Lewinsky was dragged into the Paula Jones case when she wanted no part of it. That in turn was how the blue dress was obtained by Ken Starr.

Pull Down the Blinds

Without the Molinari Amendment, there would never have been proof that Bill Clinton did have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. Clinton would known as a brilliant president who presided over an economic boom, and the only balanced budget since Richard Nixon. Instead he is primarily known for getting oral in the oval office.
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Old 04-29-2013, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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How about Bill Clinton signing into law the Molinari Amendment? That was a law that he signed, as a gift to the trial lawyer's lobby, to allow plaintiffs in sexual harassment cases to drag unrelated sexcapades involving the defendant, into court. That was how Monica Lewinsky was dragged into the Paula Jones case when she wanted no part of it. That in turn was how the blue dress was obtained by Ken Starr.

Pull Down the Blinds

Without the Molinari Amendment, there would never have been proof that Bill Clinton did have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. Clinton would known as a brilliant president who presided over an economic boom, and the only balanced budget since Richard Nixon. Instead he is primarily known for getting oral in the oval office.
Ugh.....wasn't the mistake starting up a sexual relationship with an intern in the White House?
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Old 04-29-2013, 03:06 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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How about Bill Clinton signing into law the Molinari Amendment? That was a law that he signed, as a gift to the trial lawyer's lobby, to allow plaintiffs in sexual harassment cases to drag unrelated sexcapades involving the defendant, into court. That was how Monica Lewinsky was dragged into the Paula Jones case when she wanted no part of it. That in turn was how the blue dress was obtained by Ken Starr.

Pull Down the Blinds

Without the Molinari Amendment, there would never have been proof that Bill Clinton did have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. Clinton would known as a brilliant president who presided over an economic boom, and the only balanced budget since Richard Nixon. Instead he is primarily known for getting oral in the oval office.
I was not aware of Molinari. That has to be one of the great ironies in history. Reading the link should give most people pause.

What's the first thing the authorities always do with a suspect?: Grab his PC/Laptop.
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Old 04-29-2013, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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I was not aware of Molinari. That has to be one of the great ironies in history. Reading the link should give most people pause.

What's the first thing the authorities always do with a suspect?: Grab his PC/Laptop.
Yeah I'm sure that most people have never heard of it. The only reason I had is that I happened to hear Michael Reagan talking about it once on his radio show. It is one of the great ironies. Without the Molinari law, the blue dress would have never gotten into court, it would have remained strictly he said-she said, and Monica Lewinski would have been not even an obscure footnote today.
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Old 05-01-2013, 06:35 PM
 
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Worst strategic decision--FDR's capitulation at Yalta. -- enslaved half of Europe and emboldened and empowered out enemies for almost half a century.
Worst moral decision--Jackson
Worst political decision--Nixon
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