Stalin was worse than Hitler (bomb, events, France, conquer)

[erasure]

Originally Posted by gunlover

tell that to the victims of the holodomor

Tell them what?
That Stalin was worse than Hitler?
To them - probably yes, but other 5 million Ukrainian civilians that perished under Hitler might think differently. And there were definitely more of them who died because of Hitler than of any "holodomor."
So as I've said - it's all subjective, depending who you ask.

World War II casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[thetroof]

Originally Posted by erasure

Tell them what?
That Stalin was worse than Hitler?
To them - probably yes, but other 5 million Ukrainian civilians that perished under Hitler might think differently. And there were definitely more of them who died because of Hitler than of any "holodomor."
So as I've said - it's all subjective, depending who you ask.

World War II casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

More died from Hitler than Stalin?

Who told you that

[erasure]

Originally Posted by thetroof

More died from Hitler than Stalin?

Who told you that

Common sense + figures stated in the most recently opened archives.
I've posted the link before, but here it is again;

http://lvin.ru/documents/gulagdebate...rn-Zemskov.pdf

The fact that I was raised by people who lived back in those days and gave me first-hand accounts was a bonus.

[Huckleberry3911948]

it is amazing that only 70 years later most of the bitter lessons of WWII have been forgotten.
i am so glad the jewish people have kept the memory alive of what really happened.
the great general eisenhower said when he carefully filmed the death camps, i am doing this so that later when they say it never happened we have the proof.

[GreyKarast]

Originally Posted by CountryCarr

The Farm Depression in the US was not caused by the government, it was mostly because farmers were tilling up immense sections of native prairie mostly in order to plant wheat. During the time of rain, all thought this would work and the boom crops would still come in. The banks, which were not supported by the government prior to Roosevelt, loaned out money to willing and eager farmers who thought it was a sure bet and used their lands as security for the loans. When drought hit, everyone thought it would not last long and it would be farming as usual. But it did, and vast amounts of dry topsoil blew away and the banks were left with dusty dry land that would not grow crops or support animals. Since banks back then were funded by their depositers, and ratios of loans to deposits was not managed, the unpaid loans ate up all the cash and people could not get money out of the banks. It had nothing to do with the government. Roosevelt helped support the start of insured deposits, the FDIC, more regulated banks, as well as work programs putting people back to work and money in the economy and the early social security system.

But the farm crisis in the Soviet Union was due to a number of different issues; big agressive production goals, partly in sort to "prove" to unbelievers that the new collective farming system was best. There were distribution problems, management problems, and the removal of personal incentive from most of the population, unless you count fear of the gulags and secret police, who immoblized far more people from doing things than it encouraged them to find solutions.

Stalin did not love all sections and peoples of the USSR evenly, and I am sure there were groups he wished the farming crisis would do away with. And remember, the government now techically "owned everything"; meaning they of course could not blame themselves for having anything to do with the problem......and the rest was history. ......

In most correctly. But what about - what the U.S. government is getting rid of the excess food that traders could not sell. You can not violate the laws of the market - something that is not purchased, the excess, to distribute it to the starving, then strike in the business. Food, as noted by Borisov, destroyed "diverse and in a big way: grain and simply burned and sank in the ocean. So, for example, was destroyed 6.5 million pigs and 10 million hectares of plowed land with the crop. "

The consequences of such actions were natural. And this was when people were dying of hunger. But the government thought about the money.
The salvation of the huge number of unemployed and landless Americans have become so-called "public works", which brought President Roosevelt. However, and this salvation has been very elusive.
Conducted under the auspices of the Public Works Administration (PWA) and the administration of civil works Civil Works Administration - NEA work consisted in the construction of canals, roads, bridges, often uninhabited and swampy malarial areas. At such a time the works were occupied by up to 3.3 million people, just as through the American system of "public works" has passed 8.5 million people - "this is not counting the prisoners"

"The conditions and mortality in these studies still need to be careful researcher," - the author notes, resulting, however, is quite revealing moment, "and from $ 30 in nominal wages [participant" public works "] mandatory deductions were $ 25. Five dollars for a month of hard labor in a malarial swamp. " In fact, people were working for food in conditions comparable to Stalin's gulag - it is difficult to convert into U.S. payroll Gulag prisoner 30-40 years, but apparently it was comparable to the evaluation of the work of the American "trudrabotnika."
"Almost demonic similarities Public Works Administration (PWA) to give more of the Gulag and that's what. Administration of the Public Works headed by a kind of "American Beria" - Minister of Interior Mr. Ickes, who since 1932 has concluded in the camps for the unemployed youth of about two million people "
"The same Harold LeClair Ickes (Ickes, Harold LeClair) (1874-1952) [who later] with lightning speed, in cooperation with the Army, U.S. ethnic Japanese interned in concentration camps. (1941/42 year). The first phase of the operation took just 72 hours.

[thetroof]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948

it is amazing that only 70 years later most of the bitter lessons of WWII have been forgotten.
i am so glad the jewish people have kept the memory alive of what really happened.
the great general eisenhower said when he carefully filmed the death camps, i am doing this so that later when they say it never happened we have the proof.

Jews? They only preach their own suffering, drowning out the entire story

Like:

Eisenhower starved to death 1.5 million German prisoners

[thetroof]

Originally Posted by erasure

Common sense + figures stated in the most recently opened archives.
I've posted the link before, but here it is again;

http://lvin.ru/documents/gulagdebate...rn-Zemskov.pdf

The fact that I was raised by people who lived back in those days and gave me first-hand accounts was a bonus.

What? Stalin murdered twice as many people as Hitler.

[sheena12]

Originally Posted by erasure

Tell them what?
That Stalin was worse than Hitler?
To them - probably yes, but other 5 million Ukrainian civilians that perished under Hitler might think differently. And there were definitely more of them who died because of Hitler than of any "holodomor."
So as I've said - it's all subjective, depending who you ask.

World War II casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Many Ukrainian people who were Jewish, were also burned alive or shot at places such as Baba Yar.
Hitler really hated the Ukrainians and the Poles.

The only thing Hitler liked about Ukraine was it's soil. He and his Nazis actually store the Ukraine's rich soil for their own use.

It's a silly argument really. Who is worse? This monster to that monster?

Who cares? They were both terrible. Hitler's brand of evil was, in my eyes more calculated and demented.

[thetroof]

Originally Posted by sheena12

It's a silly argument really. Who is worse? This monster to that monster?

Who cares? They were both terrible. Hitler's brand of evil was, in my eyes more calculated and demented.

Based on quotes above its not silly because there seems to be a lot of inaccuracies on the subject

[erasure]

Originally Posted by thetroof

What? Stalin murdered twice as many people as Hitler.

Who told you that?
??