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Old 05-17-2013, 09:52 AM
 
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You know, our multinational country as well as for you. But we have for each other was always the same friendly and equal treatment. We did not have seats for black, yellow and white. And what about the camps all across America for Native Americans (which you call the reservation) We could not get a degree from the University regardless of skin color. How is it possible to formally give a person the status of second-class citizens?
Yeah that good old "equal treatment." How exactly did that work out for people like the Kalmyks and Chechens?
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Old 05-17-2013, 09:54 AM
 
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There may be an occasional young woman kidnapped from Ukraine and dragged into Russia, but that would be the extent to any immigration problem.
Actually Russia does have a fair amount of illegal immigration. Mostly from places like Turkmenistan, and Tajikstan.
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:09 AM
 
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Yeah that good old "equal treatment." How exactly did that work out for people like the Kalmyks and Chechens?
Depends what you mean by "work out". These two groups are hardly the only oppressed groups in the USSR, all ethnicities including Russians were oppressed to some extent, I do not see the point to cherry pick one or two groups.

The premises of the OP was to compare equality between the US and USSR; you mention those two groups, I can mention blacks and Native Americans in the US and their treatment starting from 1776. But to compare, there has to be a year to compare; are we comparing 1950? 1983? The entire existence of both states? As I stated in my previous post, I hate diving back into history for an example, the context is never the same.

Also, is oppression of one or more groups a natural course of nation building? How many countries historically have been created without the oppression of one or more groups?
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Old 05-17-2013, 04:14 PM
 
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Depends what you mean by "work out". These two groups are hardly the only oppressed groups in the USSR, all ethnicities including Russians were oppressed to some extent, I do not see the point to cherry pick one or two groups.

The premises of the OP was to compare equality between the US and USSR; you mention those two groups, I can mention blacks and Native Americans in the US and their treatment starting from 1776. But to compare, there has to be a year to compare; are we comparing 1950? 1983? The entire existence of both states? As I stated in my previous post, I hate diving back into history for an example, the context is never the same.

Also, is oppression of one or more groups a natural course of nation building? How many countries historically have been created without the oppression of one or more groups?
Really so the Russians were wholesale kicked out of Russia? If you want to bring the Native Americans into it that is fine. The US doesn't have a perfect history, but to suggest that the USSR treated minorities equality is a farce and laughable on its face.
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Old 05-17-2013, 05:48 PM
 
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Really so the Russians were wholesale kicked out of Russia? If you want to bring the Native Americans into it that is fine. The US doesn't have a perfect history, but to suggest that the USSR treated minorities equality is a farce and laughable on its face.
You don't seem to grasp the difference in concept ( talking about treatment of Indians\Blacks in the US and ethnic minorities in Russia.) In the US it has got anything and everything to do with race, where in Russia in has got everything to do with politics. If any ethnicity has been perceived as POLITICAL threat to a system, it was dealt with by Stalin accordingly; if not - they were not resettled. As for Russians being "wholesale kicked out of Russia" - it was simply impossible because they were the ethnic majority, however exiling the whole Russian villages from western part of the country somewhere behind the Ural mountains to live side by side with natives - it was as close as "kicking" them out of Russia. You need to understand that Stalin was "an equal opportunity" for misery creator, plus he himself was an ethnic minority.
The only time you can really talk about treatment of minorities based on race, that would be tzarist Russia with her treatment of Jews - that's the closest you can get to idea of reservations and all.
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