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Old 06-19-2013, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Your founding fathers would be proud. When they broke away from the mother nation...it was not about being oppressed...it was a distant set of pirates who wanted their own operation and their own empire---to be free to plunder and enrich themselves just as their superiors did in England. America was not found on some noble concept...It was exactly like a tiny mafia that left the big boss mafia and decided there was enough distance between them and the boss to rebel and be rich also----so far so good.
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Old 06-19-2013, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Nearly all of the predictions in this thread have been negative, gloomy...the founding fathers would be disgusted by this, horrified by that..etc.

Wouldn't they have liked anything? I would imagine a certain sense of pride arising from the fact that the Constitution was still the law of the land, that the nation remained a republic, that succession to power had always been conducted in a peaceful, orderly manner, that many nations were inspired by the US model to adopt republican forms of government for themselves...and don't you think a large number of them would be tickled pink to discover how far Great Britain had fallen behind the US in terms of power and prestige?

Keep in mind that these were men whose ideas were mocked by the crowned heads of Europe, who were told that this experiment in letting the rabble rule was certain to fail. Those aristocrats are all gone and the US republic thrives..wouldn't that be a source of great satisfaction?
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Old 06-19-2013, 10:35 AM
 
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I truly have wondered this myself. It is frustrating to think about if they would be satisfied, disgusted, appalled at what has happened to our government. They might even say they could not have predicted this all. There are days I wish this could be a reality and we could see what they think. Maybe give the current government officials a piece of their mind. We have definitely evolved in this country.

Charlie.
Ben Franklin put it this way when ask what type of gov we had" a republic 'if' we can keep it'.Well the rest is history and so is this nation. We let ourside communist infect the minds of our youth and its now a aqubbling salad bowl of warring cultures,races and lobbys. A warmongering world policeing politicle tyranny.But all empires come to an end nothing last forever.JUST MY OPINION
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Old 06-19-2013, 10:46 AM
 
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Your founding fathers would be proud. When they broke away from the mother nation...it was not about being oppressed...it was a distant set of pirates who wanted their own operation and their own empire---to be free to plunder and enrich themselves just as their superiors did in England. America was not found on some noble concept...It was exactly like a tiny mafia that left the big boss mafia and decided there was enough distance between them and the boss to rebel and be rich also----so far so good.

LOL coming from a french nation we saved from innialation. What a hateful expression of graditude.
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Old 06-19-2013, 10:58 AM
 
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Nearly all of the predictions in this thread have been negative, gloomy...the founding fathers would be disgusted by this, horrified by that..etc.

Wouldn't they have liked anything? I would imagine a certain sense of pride arising from the fact that the Constitution was still the law of the land, that the nation remained a republic, that succession to power had always been conducted in a peaceful, orderly manner, that many nations were inspired by the US model to adopt republican forms of government for themselves...and don't you think a large number of them would be tickled pink to discover how far Great Britain had fallen behind the US in terms of power and prestige?

Keep in mind that these were men whose ideas were mocked by the crowned heads of Europe, who were told that this experiment in letting the rabble rule was certain to fail. Those aristocrats are all gone and the US republic thrives..wouldn't that be a source of great satisfaction?
The Constitution and the Bill of Rights have both been ignored for many decades now. We are ruled by tyranical warmongers who fill their pockets with money stolen from us and others.

We can't keep killing in the name of democracy,its evil and it will eventually destroy us. All the suffering of hundreds of millions of people cannot be ignored much longer.

When a top official laughs and celebrates the rape,torure and murder of a sovereign nations leaders its an evil shared by us all. Now she will run for president and in this sick society her chances will be good.

We don't behead women and kids ,we blow them to pieces,burn them alive and our poisons invented for war are used on them in tyranical nations,bought from FRANCE and America.

Patriotism is not agreeing with your leaders when they do evil in your name,its sticking by your laws and protecting your youth from un-nessasary risk.
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Old 06-19-2013, 11:00 AM
 
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What would our founding fathers think of our country today?


They would probably look around and ask who freed the slaves???
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Old 06-19-2013, 11:10 AM
 
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What would our founding fathers think of our country today?


They would probably look around and ask who freed the slaves???

Get over it,blacks owned slaves too right here in America,like their slave masters did in Africa.Who do you think we bought them from? Half history is no history.

Indians here owned slaves too,they were just not black,mostly captives from warring tribes.

Take the race card and try to do something good with it.We are divided enough already.
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Old 06-19-2013, 09:49 PM
 
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We are ruled by tyranical warmongers who fill their pockets with money stolen from us and others.
Strange kind of tyranny when those who are at the head of government keep getting there through the vote of the tyranized(sic).
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Old 06-22-2013, 11:45 PM
 
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They'd probably start the second American Republican after starting the 2nd American revolution and throwing all the criminals from bush, blair, obama, clinton bush walker in jail.

The idea that the government could watch everything you do in your house, know all the contents of your private conversations, or that the use of the irs to target political opponents, that there even is an irs and no tariffs. Those alone, they'd be utterly disgusted with the nation. The founding fathers would be most in line politically with people who are seen as political pariahs and near perennial presidential contenders like ron paul, ralph nader and ross perot. The idea a coporation which is a group of nameless faceless people where giving billions of dollars to a government no one wanted or liked would just be utterly ludicrous to them.

The media would portray them as old psychotic conspiracy theorist.

With the amount of big government and taxes we have they'd probably consider us closer to communist than anything else. How are we a free society with so much of us dependent on government. Romney is right 53% of you view yourselves as victims are lazy and just want handouts. Back in the day they had it right, work or die.

The idea that the government outlaw a drug, would be laughable because washington smoked weed everyday for his toothache.

A federal reserve that was also widely opposed. America's wars in the middle east, they'd have no idea why we're involved in them and why we support israel, pakistan, egypt, libya and a bunch of other countries who do nothing for us. They would wonder why we did not conquer mexico and canada yet. and why we pay so much tax nothing
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Old 06-24-2013, 08:07 AM
 
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They'd probably start the second American Republican after starting the 2nd American revolution and throwing all the criminals from bush, blair, obama, clinton bush walker in jail.

The idea that the government could watch everything you do in your house, know all the contents of your private conversations, or that the use of the irs to target political opponents, that there even is an irs and no tariffs. Those alone, they'd be utterly disgusted with the nation. The founding fathers would be most in line politically with people who are seen as political pariahs and near perennial presidential contenders like ron paul, ralph nader and ross perot. The idea a coporation which is a group of nameless faceless people where giving billions of dollars to a government no one wanted or liked would just be utterly ludicrous to them.

The media would portray them as old psychotic conspiracy theorist.

With the amount of big government and taxes we have they'd probably consider us closer to communist than anything else. How are we a free society with so much of us dependent on government. Romney is right 53% of you view yourselves as victims are lazy and just want handouts. Back in the day they had it right, work or die.

The idea that the government outlaw a drug, would be laughable because washington smoked weed everyday for his toothache.

A federal reserve that was also widely opposed. America's wars in the middle east, they'd have no idea why we're involved in them and why we support israel, pakistan, egypt, libya and a bunch of other countries who do nothing for us. They would wonder why we did not conquer mexico and canada yet. and why we pay so much tax nothing
Like everyone else who has engaged in such a politically slanted rant in this topic...go back and study the presidency and writings of the Founders. You will realize two things real quick:

1. They all had divergent ideas on how the country should be run and what it would look like. Read the Federalist vs. Anti-Federalist debates and then ask whether "all the Founders" would be shocked/disgusted by our modern nation and its institutions.

2. As revolutionaries the Founders said radical things. As leaders they were rather restrained and often did things that were seemingly counter to what they had recently rebelled against. Whether it was Washington sending an army to put down a tax rebellion or Adams approving the Alien and Sedition Acts followed by Jefferson decrying them and then using them against his political enemies. The Founders, once in power, did many of the things people now rail against in the interests of preserving the nation.

So, the answer would really come down to which Founders we are talking about. For instance, Alexander Hamilton would absolutely love our Federal Reserve system.
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