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It's tough to say. As I detailed above there was just as much "turmoil" in that region in 1918-1921 as there was in 1914. Basically from 1914-1921 that region was always in the middle of various wars. From WW1 to the Polish-Ukraine/Soviet Wars. Anyone of them could have made people in the area need to flee. The OP thought the father may have been born earlier than the 1920 claimed by her grandmother. The problem is that there was so much turmoil over a 7 year period, that you couldn't date it based on that. They were just as likely to have been fleeing in 1920 as they were in 1914 or 1918 or 1919 or 1916, etc.
I see, thanks. One reason I always doubted the 1920 my grandma claimed is his younger brother was born in 1921 and claimed that was his real birth year and my dad had said they were more than 1 year apart (but also that he was closer to him in age than his older brother, who was born in 1911 and also supposedly was the real birth year). So I'm thinking 1918 or 1919 as I originally thought, thanks again!
Is that for all Galicia, or just Eastern? I thought Poles were about half the population in the province as a whole.
Sorry for not being clearer, that is for Eastern Galicia, which is the section occupied by Russia during WW1 and where the OP claimed this supposed "genocide" took place.
The Kingdom of Galicia was part of the Austrian half of Austria-Hungary.
On this map, Austria is pink, Hungary is green and Bosnia is blue. The large pink province in the upper right is Galicia. The smaller province to the lower right of Galicia is Bukovina, also part of Austria. Cisleithania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
All of this area was pretty much overrun by the Russians early in WW1 and again in 1916 (Brusilov offensive). Even the Przemyśl Fortress fell after a long siege. The lines went back and forth until the final Russian collapse. There is no telling what happened to the civilian population during this time period but I have never heard of a Austrian genocide before.
The Kingdom of Galicia was part of the Austrian half of Austria-Hungary.
On this map, Austria is pink, Hungary is green and Bosnia is blue. The large pink province in the upper right is Galicia. The smaller province to the lower right of Galicia is Bukovina, also part of Austria. Cisleithania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
All of this area was pretty much overrun by the Russians early in WW1 and again in 1916 (Brusilov offensive). Even the Przemyśl Fortress fell after a long siege. The lines went back and forth until the final Russian collapse. There is no telling what happened to the civilian population during this time period but I have never heard of a Austrian genocide before.
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Sorry for not being clearer, that is for Eastern Galicia, which is the section occupied by Russia during WW1 and where the OP claimed this supposed "genocide" took place.
Are we talking about Ukrainians? The link below (even though it's Wikipedia is another viewpoint about
the demographics).
My god! It looks there is a Wickapedia article for everything these days. Even one for the brief WW1 Russian occupation of Galicia. Great find Baileyvpotter.
To answer your question, yes, I believe they were mostly Ukrainian in Galicia but there also a large number of Polish, Jews and even Gypsies. The Austrians called the Ukrainians Ruthenians.
Technically yes, but it depends on who you ask. They were "Ukrainian" or "Ruthenian" and were a Slavic group with historical ties to Russia via the Kievan Rus. Around half of them identified as "Russian" and other half identified as "Ukrainian" from a nationalistic standpoint.
Killed, simply for the fact that they spoke in Russian for Russian literature (Gogol, Pushkin). was genocide . Figure exceeds 120,000 people.Thanks for the article!.
This happened on both side of the front.
180 Austro-Hungarian war prisoner officers were beheaded by knives in 1922- 3 years after the war terminated - in Osh, nowadays Kirgizstan, that time under Russian rule. About 300 000 Austro Hungarian solders died in camps in Siberia and in the Kazakh steppe.
Galicia was under Austrian administration not Hungarian and the population was a mixture of polish -ruten-romanian.
In this time 85% or more of population was analphabet, hardly reading Gogol....
I don't think there is a lot in English on the subject. A Serb assasinated Archduke FF and mass murder was sanctioned by the army in retaliation. Serbia lost a significant percentage of its population during the war but most of the deaths were from disease, typhus, etc. I don't know how many civilians were killed by the army directly.
The number of civilians killed in Galicia is around 60,000 (that is what I have read anyway). I think the majority of that number can be attributed to Russophilia. The AH army was losing against the Russians and was being forced out of Galicia. The Galician people couldn't care less and supported the Russian army in thought if not in deed. The AH army considered these people traitors to the AH Empire and killed a lot of them while it retreated through Galicia.
======= i have just finished reading a 7 volume 2000 pages series of books ,,,, printed in 1920,, for the canadian legion,,,, for the canadian troops to show what they were really fighting for,,,, and how the ww1 started in 1870 [ germany building up billions of marks to finance the master race,s war on humanity, it took 44 years for the germans to use the austrian prince,s assination in 1914 as an excuse to start ww1,,,,,,,,, ,,,,, and how the kaiser [ willhelm 11 german royalty ] and the austrians [ royalty ] conspired to kill off 50 millions of people from belgium to france bagdad, somalia , egypt to promote the master race,,,, total cost of their blunder in 1918 --------------- $60,000,000,000,, yes $ 60,000,000,000 , the us president at the time[ w,w, ] convinced the us congress to spend $ 50,000,000,000 on funding the ww1, and kicked the germans *******,, the name of the series is ------ source records of the great war ---- printed in 1920,,,,,, editor in chief, charles f. horn ph d ,,,, it is a hard read, but in the end you know who the bastards are i.e.,, the ****ing royal family,s of europe and russia,,,,,,,,,,,,, after ww1 [ 1918 ] ,, the royal families in europe joined the nazis party [ hitler ] hopefully hitler would approve the royals to get back their land, money, and positions of power and wealth taken from germany and austria by the treaty of verrsaei [ spelling ] i.e. england, france, belgium, austrialia, new zealand, basically the commonwealth counties and the US, wanted the germans to pay for war costs,,,,,,,,, canada asked for nothing, but did bring in income tax for canadian citizens,,[ we got ****ed again by the german arrogance ] in the end hitler used the royal family,s to get votes for the new german government,,, many members of the royal family,s in europe became high ranking nazis,s in the new socialist government administration, in fact hitler approved a german royal family person as his successsor [ willy ],,,, ?????? when the new government, once they were elected [ hitler] then ****ed europe-- ww2 ,,, there were several wars in serbia,, austria, hungary, bulgary, turkey, before ww1,,, serbia could not sell their pigs on the world market [[ they were primary an agricultural economy, i.e. and landlocked ],,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, because they had no access to the open sea,s for transportation of their pigs [to markets ] etc, so they kicked ass [ started a war ] and got access to the medditerrian and world markets for their pigs and pissed off hungary, austria, bulgaria, etc, so bad feelings lingered for years to 1914, and a reason to go to war again,,,,,, [ kill the prince ] in the end the dumb ****s [ austria ] supported germany and ganged up on the serbs,, destroying food production, health programs and democratic governments,, at the end of the war, the hapsburg,s [ austrian royalty ] lost their shirts, the chyechs [ spelling ] were far ahead of all the eastern counties when it came to supporting democracy, ----------------------------- the same books were published by the american legion in 1930 approximately,,
I don't think there is a lot in English on the subject. A Serb assasinated Archduke FF and mass murder was sanctioned by the army in retaliation. Serbia lost a significant percentage of its population during the war but most of the deaths were from disease, typhus, etc. I don't know how many civilians were killed by the army directly.
The number of civilians killed in Galicia is around 60,000 (that is what I have read anyway). I think the majority of that number can be attributed to Russophilia. The AH army was losing against the Russians and was being forced out of Galicia. The Galician people couldn't care less and supported the Russian army in thought if not in deed. The AH army considered these people traitors to the AH Empire and killed a lot of them while it retreated through Galicia.
============== the grenades and hand gun in possesion of the serb student came from a registered military armoury either austria or hungary ?????,,,,,,,,, there were two atemtps at assaination on that day,,, the first one failed,, the prince should have gone home after the first , however other members of the austrian royal family wanted the prince dead as he was not following the offical line of thought regarding austria and germany conquering the world
============== the grenades and hand gun in possesion of the serb student came from a registered military armoury either austria or hungary ?????,,,,,,,,, there were two atemtps at assaination on that day,,, the first one failed,, the prince should have gone home after the first , however other members of the austrian royal family wanted the prince dead as he was not following the offical line of thought regarding austria and germany conquering the world
First things first: Awesome punctuation.
Second, you should read a proper book on that topic.
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