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Watching you, as you dig your own grave, so to speak.
There was no racism, you're the one that is too emotional to discuss history. Calm down, take a step back and don't treat every criticism of the Italian military as a personal attack on yourself. Only then will any rational discussion be possible here.
Yac.
Watching you, as you dig your own grave, so to speak.
There was no racism, you're the one that is too emotional to discuss history. Calm down, take a step back and don't treat every criticism of the Italian military as a personal attack on yourself. Only then will any rational discussion be possible here.
Yac.
lol seriously.
I mean, geez louise; Canada....... CANADA, probably gets left out of more WW2 history than anybody else, getting all jumbled in with "The British", dispite the fact that we had gone from next to nothing, to building the 4th largest air force, 3rd largest surface naval fleet, and, having one vehicle for every three soldiers in the field, making it the most mechanized field force in the war. All the while, feeding England AND Russia, AND yes, the USA with food, munitions, and vehicles of all kinds, with only a population of about 11.2 million.....10% of which, were over seas.
People make the WWII popular Italian attitude to war out to be some sort of shame. It shouldn't be. Let's see: threatened by no country except maybe Germany. War means a lot of death, suffering and sacrifice for perhaps some gain, but quite surely terrible loss. Sane attitude: "Va'fan-culo, this war is stupid, we don't want to fight!" Then the fascist dictator is kicked out and the more humane side invades: "Screw Hitler, we'll make peace and join the new folks!" If you ask me, that the Italian people never threw themselves with jingoism and gusto into aggressive wars of conquest tells me that they might have been one of the sanest, most fundamentally decent peoples in the region, and is a reason to respect their good sense and goodwill. I can point out their dismal war record without implying that it speaks poorly for them as a people. (Had Italy been a victim rather than an aggressor, we'd have found out if they had enough guts to defend their nation. We did not find that out. We did find out that a fair number of them had the guts to help liberate it.)
Exactly, what's so bad with no wanting to support Hitler, most people would support the point of view.
I mean, geez louise; Canada....... CANADA, probably gets left out of more WW2 history than anybody else, getting all jumbled in with "The British", dispite the fact that we had gone from next to nothing, to building the 4th largest air force, 3rd largest surface naval fleet, and, having one vehicle for every three soldiers in the field, making it the most mechanized field force in the war. All the while, feeding England AND Russia, AND yes, the USA with food, munitions, and vehicles of all kinds, with only a population of about 11.2 million.....10% of which, were over seas.
Don't see me gettin' all in a huff about it. lol
Yep, without you hosers, the British would have been in deep trouble.
But seriously, I hope that any serious student of the war understands all of the above. Canada fully mobilized, and had a primary role in the war for the Atlantic, which was what decided whether Britain could be sustained. That was a very near-run thing, and never far from Churchill's mind, as PM of an island nation. Here is how I would summarize the Canadian contribution: it added strategic depth to the British position in all the ways that implies, and all the things that Canada did in that cause were warriors, materiel and services the British could not have survived without. Were Britain to fall, Canada was a fallback position; it was a safe roomy place to train pilots, a shipbuilding godsend, had more minerals than a rock and gem show, and had a big, tough, hardy population of self-reliant people whose favorite hobby was putting on sharp objects and fighting over control of a disc of rubber. With weapons. And where it was poor form to hold a grudge just because someone punched the crap out of you over the black disc.
I have only one question for you. 4th largest air force? I understand why you had such a large surface fleet, as it was many, many convoy escorts and sub hunters. Obviously it wasn't battleships and carriers. But how and when did Canada have an air force fourth only to Germany, the US, Japan and/or Britain? Unless you mean it beat out one of the enemy air forces at the end of the war, because those were just about wiped out? If so, the statement would seem a stretch.
Hopefully preparing to confiscate your keyboard's exclamation point, so that you can calm down a little bit.
This is the history forum. It thrives on rational presentation of evidence supporting compelling argument for one's position. Anyone who constantly uses exclamation points sounds like he is very worked up! Much of what he says is not taken very seriously! This tends to undermine a point, even if it does have good support! No one cares about anyone's emotions, those are their own problem! Plus, it gets very tiresome to read!
Am I getting through?
That's funny that your thinking everything I'm thinking towards you because of your racism, meanwhile your reason is my reaction to it. See how I didn't use any exclamation point marks? Maybe now you'll take my posts into consideration & not find lame, pathetic excuses to deny their credibility.
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Originally Posted by Yac
Watching you, as you dig your own grave, so to speak.
There was no racism, you're the one that is too emotional to discuss history. Calm down, take a step back and don't treat every criticism of the Italian military as a personal attack on yourself. Only then will any rational discussion be possible here.
Yac.
What about the lame racist British WWII jokes?
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Exactly, what's so bad with no wanting to support Hitler, most people would support the point of view.
So your saying because I want to prove the Italian military's strength at the time I'm automatically a fascist sympathizer? you people are ridiculous & pathetic in your attempts to make me look like those to things that would discredit me. You think this is the first History forum I've been on?
That's funny that your thinking everything I'm thinking towards you because of your racism, meanwhile your reason is my reaction to it. See how I didn't use any exclamation point marks? Maybe now you'll take my posts into consideration & not find lame, pathetic excuses to deny their credibility.
My racism? I'd like to see you present an example of it. And when you can't find it, if you are a decent human being, you'll apologize publicly for that remark.
In the meantime, just keep digging. You don't need any help from me in that area.
In Operation Barbarossa, the Italian Army did exceptionally well, they hijacked several T-34s & covered the German 8th Army's retreat out of Stalingrad. "The Italian Alpini are my Panzers!" one German General said.
The Italian Army was a second-rate warriors. They were far away from a German's level in war theory, war technics, motivation and etc. So Italians could overcome only backward Albanians or Ethiopians. Experienced Soviet, British or U.S. forces could to pass through them with ease.
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"The Italian Alpini are my Panzers!" one German General said.
Italian Alpini or Alpenkorps? Many Germans despised Italians with some reasons.
Yep, without you hosers, the British would have been in deep trouble.
But seriously, I hope that any serious student of the war understands all of the above. Canada fully mobilized, and had a primary role in the war for the Atlantic, which was what decided whether Britain could be sustained. That was a very near-run thing, and never far from Churchill's mind, as PM of an island nation. Here is how I would summarize the Canadian contribution: it added strategic depth to the British position in all the ways that implies, and all the things that Canada did in that cause were warriors, materiel and services the British could not have survived without. Were Britain to fall, Canada was a fallback position; it was a safe roomy place to train pilots, a shipbuilding godsend, had more minerals than a rock and gem show, and had a big, tough, hardy population of self-reliant people whose favorite hobby was putting on sharp objects and fighting over control of a disc of rubber. With weapons. And where it was poor form to hold a grudge just because someone punched the crap out of you over the black disc.
I have only one question for you. 4th largest air force? I understand why you had such a large surface fleet, as it was many, many convoy escorts and sub hunters. Obviously it wasn't battleships and carriers. But how and when did Canada have an air force fourth only to Germany, the US, Japan and/or Britain? Unless you mean it beat out one of the enemy air forces at the end of the war, because those were just about wiped out? If so, the statement would seem a stretch.
Nice post, j_k_k. I particularly liked the part about our favorite hobby.
About the airforce, you're probably right. I was refering to "by wars end", and I should have made that clear. After the surrender of Germany, and Japan, we came in 4th after the US, Russia, and Britain, with 78 squadrons, and 215,000 personel.
Then we dismantled the whole thing, and you get the military size we have today.
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O.K., let's check our technical knowledge:
Question: How many gears did a WWII Italian army tank have?
Answer: Four in reverse and one in forward in case they were attacked from the rear.
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Beat me to it! lol :-D
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Originally Posted by Escort Rider
Question: Why did the Italian Navy purchase a glass-bottom boat?
Answer: So the admiral could inspect the fleet.
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Originally Posted by NJGOAT
Hey Mario, you think they got decent gabagool in England?
Q: Why do the Italians never perform "the wave" at soccer games?
A: Because, that's a gesture reserved for use only in time of war.
Need I go on with your British racist WWII jokes?
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Originally Posted by Eugene L.
The Italian Army was a second-rate warriors. They were far away from a German's level in war theory, war technics, motivation and etc. So Italians could overcome only backward Albanians or Ethiopians. Experienced Soviet, British or U.S. forces could to pass through them with ease.
Italian Alpini or Alpenkorps? Many Germans despised Italians with some reasons.
Welcome to the topic, because it's clear you know nothing about it.
First of all, the Soviets had horrible soldiers & won on shear overwhelming numbers, & the Americans had a powerful economy. A Sherman on a Panzer has a different outcome when their are an average of five to one with the US. The British lost every battle against the Italians in Africa before the Commonwealth bailed them out!
German Generals did despise them, but the other half were astounded by them.
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