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Old 08-06-2013, 08:09 AM
 
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Another historical fact ignored is Japan had diplomats in Washington DC to negotiate while the Japanese navy was about to attack Pearl Harbor
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:10 AM
 
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Invasion would only have been necessary to achieve an "unconditional" surrender. By mid 1945, Japan was ready to negotiate peace on terms very favorable to the allies.

Apparently not favorable enough. Why isn't the narrative that Japan had opportunity to surrender before dropping the bombs in a way that was very favorable to them?

Losers of a war they started don't get to set the terms of their surrender, or decide what is favorable or not to those they have attacked, murdered, tortured, raped, slaughtered. Youtube: Rape of Nanking.

The Germans didn't have that luxury, as they surrendered unconditionally.
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:11 AM
 
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For a guy who apparently lives in Japan, you are shockingly ignorant of Japanese culture
No doubt. After 22 years here am still shockingly ignorant. My kids certainly would agree. I've lived in Japan far longer than they have but know far less.


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Hell, we had to drop a SECOND atomic bomb on them to get our point across.
Yes, and our point was this: we have the means and the will to kill every last one of you if you don't meet our demands.
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Japan
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Before America dropped the 2 atomic bombs they dropped thousands of tons of incendiary (napalm) bombs on Tokyo...

A Forgotten Holocaust: US Bombing Strategy, the Destruction of Japanese Cities & the American Way of War from World War II to Iraq :: JapanFocus

Did the fire bombings bring Japan to surrender????

Thankfully Japan surrendered after the second bomb because we didn't have another, look at Okinawa and increase the casualties a few hundred percent...

The entire population of Japan was going to resist an American invasion.....
Tell me, why was forcing unconditional surrender such a necessity? By August of 1945 Japan was no longer a threat. It could not project power. A highly favorable treaty was well within reach.
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:22 AM
 
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No doubt. After 22 years here am still shockingly ignorant. My kids certainly would agree. I've lived in Japan far longer than they have but know far less.




Yes, and our point was this: we have the means and the will to kill every last one of you if you don't meet our demands.
Japan attacked Pearl Harbor: game on. Oh well.
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:24 AM
 
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Tell me, why was forcing unconditional surrender such a necessity? By August of 1945 Japan was no longer a threat. It could not project power. A highly favorable treaty was well within reach.
Like Germany after WW 1? Word was many Germans felt like they could've won that war even tho their country surrendered. Japan had to be taken down and hard.
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:28 AM
 
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As sad as it was, unfortunately it was a necessary evil. We can only hope that nuclear weapons will never be used again. You know... that learning from history thing that we conveniently forget.
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:32 AM
 
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After the attack on Pearl Harbor and all the atrocities they committed in other nations you'd negotiate with them?
By 1945, Pearl Harbor had already been avenged 100 times over. Yes, I would have accepted a negotiated surrender from Japan.

As for atrocities, they were committed by every major power in WWII, none greater than the firebombings and nuclear attacks done by the Allies.
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:36 AM
 
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You must be totally ignorant concerning the will, resolve and pride of the Japanese people.
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Two bombs and they folded like a deck of cards.... It carries extra weight when the targets are civilians, but Germans did not surrender even after taking civilian casualties worst than the Japanese.
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:37 AM
 
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Those who opposed us dropping the bomb on Japan also either ignore or are ignorant of the things Japan did to it's neighboring countries, Pacific islands, and POWs. Chemical and biological weapons tested on villages in China, medical experiments on living humans, live human dissection, the raping of Nanking (so horrible a Nazi party member sent messages to Hitler begging him to get Japan to stop), cutting the flesh from live prisoners to use as food, and Japanese sailors pulling the enemy, whose ship they sunk, from the water just to get a chance to chop their heads off. Many Japanese units, upon hearing of the surrender a d to release their prisoners, executed their prisoners instead.
Atrocities go on all over the world today. Who you wanna nuke?
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