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The Japanese forfeited their chance for a negotiated settlement on December 7, 1941.
Attack our naval base and we are justified in nuking your cities until you surrender unconditionally. You can make that case. But even if the justification is accepted where does the necessity come from? It was a choice.
The war was already all but over. The invasion was never a necessity. The projected number of deaths in the case of invasion is exaggerated. It was not claimed as "millions" until long after the war.
Are you nuts!!
I had family and friends who somehow lived through all the killing saw horrible things....once in a while they might talk a little then go into that thousand yard stare carrying emotional scars forever.
You are belitting their sacrifices yes an invasion would of cost US dearly a old marine who survived Okinawa said if we had invaded Japan that he would of been KIA.
Dresden was bombed to where it created a firestorm killing tens of thousands... Tokyo was bombed with incendiary bombs since everything was made of wood same result.
American POW's witnessed the atomic bomb results first hand because the Japanese used them as slave labor in coal mines brutally beating them.The Japanese were fanatics they would of never surrendered in a conventional war.
Apparently not favorable enough. Why isn't the narrative that Japan had opportunity to surrender before dropping the bombs in a way that was very favorable to them?
I don't follow. The demand was always for unconditional surrender. By August 1945, about all Japan would have insisted on was keeping the emperor. Ironically, McCarthur ended up letting him stay on anyway.
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Losers of a war they started don't get to set the terms of their surrender, or
decide what is favorable or not to those they have attacked, murdered, tortured,
raped, slaughtered. Youtube: Rape of Nanking.
If war making, rape, murder and torture are reasons to drop nukes then half the world needs nuking.
i think one could argue that the worst fighting in the war was done between the Germans and Russians on the eastern front.
Really? Japan kicked Russia's ass in 1905 and Ivan only jumped bad when we had them on the ropes it was a land grab by Boris & Natasha comrade...but maybe your right the commies treated their people like dogs they forced suicidal charges if the German mg didn't kill you the Russian one would and if you somehow survived you get to do it all over again the next day because you have insulted Stalin or were enemies of the state.
Really? Japan kicked Russia's ass in 1905 and Ivan only jumped bad when we had them on the ropes it was a land grab by Boris & Natasha comrade...but maybe your right the commies treated their people like dogs they forced suicidal charges if the German mg didn't kill you the Russian one would and if you somehow survived you get to do it all over again the next day because you have insulted Stalin or were enemies of the state.
When I say eastern front, I'm not talking about Russia - Japan, I'm talking about Germany - Russia.
If I understand correctly, the most horrific parts of WWII took place in Ukraine and Poland.
Like Germany after WW 1? Word was many Germans felt like they could've won that war even tho their country surrendered. Japan had to be taken down and hard.
Yep, and Hitler parlayed that sentiment into "The Stab in the Back" story to help the Nazis gain power.
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Attack our naval base and we are justified in nuking your cities until you surrender unconditionally. You can make that case. But even if the justification is accepted where does the necessity come from? It was a choice.
And?
Japan chose war.
The only duty the US had was to lessen that war's impact on Americans and their allies.
Thank You Harry Truman!
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