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Old 08-06-2013, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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They already were beaten badly! and were trying to surrender, what part of that do you not understand?

"Even without the atomic bombing attacks," concluded the United States Strategic Bombing Survey of 1946, "air supremacy over Japan could have exerted sufficient pressure to bring about unconditional surrender and obviate the need for invasion."
3 things are obvious here. #1 You know nothing about WW2. #2 That's all your Opinion #3 You have
no links or data to back up your claims.

The estimate was up to 1,000,000 American casualties . I suppose you would have liked that better ??
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Old 08-06-2013, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Some people sound like broken records and keep repeating the same questions after they have already been answered.
And some (well, you anyway) appear to be deaf to questions you can't answer without making of yourself an object of opprobrium.

Had the Japanese gotten the bomb first do you think they'd've not used it?
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Old 08-06-2013, 09:33 PM
 
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Get over it.

They started it and we finished it.
I am a liberal's liberal.

I cannot disagree with this post. It was necessary. If the effects of the atom bomb hadn't been shown then, the cold war would not have been so cold. I honestly think we lost fewer lives with this bomb than we would have without this bomb.
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Old 08-06-2013, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Forgiveness really? They started a war with us and attacked pearl harbor and had commited atrocities to chinese etc. The bomb was the right thing to do. If we invaded japan it was estimated atleast 2-3 million total people would have died including americans so imo the bomb was justified.
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Old 08-06-2013, 09:57 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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By using the bomb we showed that we were no better than the enemy.
Besides Japan had been trying to surrender, it was well known that Japan could only carry on the war effort for at most several months, they were beaten.
And how many Americans would have died in those 'several months'?

Japan got what they asked for.

Thank You Harry Truman!
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Old 08-06-2013, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Truth is the USA saw a perfect opportunity to test out it's new weapon on people.
Correction: Truth is the USA saw a perfect way to end years of a bloody and brutal war.
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Old 08-06-2013, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Good thing it worked.
Yes, it was. One reason being that my dad was to be one of the many slated for the invasion of Japan in Nov., 1945. He already had fought in the Philippines and nearby areas and was wounded in action.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:00 PM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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To the American's that served in the Pacific Theater in WWII, and to those that served in any theater during that war, thank you for your service. And to the family of Paul Tibbets, the rest of the crew of Enola Gay and to all those involved in the Manhattan Project.

On behalf of every decent person in this country, I would like to apologize for the OPs self-serving hypocrisy and condescension.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:52 PM
 
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If your historical revision narrative were accurate, then why did Japan not surrender after Hiroshima?

ANSWER - they had division within their leadership - hardly the sign of a nation ready to accede to terms of peace, especially given their past behavior.

If your false version is true, then Nagasaki should have never happened.
You're version of the truth is propaganda, and not at all accurate, either historically or morally.

The reality is, the Japanese were trying to surrender for several months, working though diplomatic channels in Russia to the US. Their only request was to allow the Emperor to remain as a figure head, to ease the psychological impact on the Japanese population ... which was in the US best interests to do anyway, and subsequently that is what was allowed after the surrender was accepted. But these earlier attempts to surrender were rejected.

Of course, none of this was included in the sanitized version of history taught to us in school. The US and England were always the good guys, and never did anything wrong, while the enemy was always the ruthless evil doers, as if that should be some big surprise. The winners always write the history books, and always to their favor.

But you don't have to take my word for any of this ... just consider the words of people who were there .. military leaders at that point in time, like Admiral Leahy who was Truman's top military advisor, who wrote in his memoirs the following statement:

“It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons. My own feeling is that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages.”

Then we have General Eisenhower who visited with Truman a couple of weeks before the bombings, urging him not to do it ..... who later said in an interview with News Week: “It wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing . . . to use the atomic bomb, to kill and terrorize civilians, without even attempting negotiations was a double crime.”

These are the words from a couple of our top military men at that time ... the voices of reason, amongst the war mongers like the psychopath Gen Lemay, whose fire bombing of Tokyo and other cities is estimated to have killed as many as 500,000 civilians and left 5 million homeless, who much later during the cold war was a staunch advocate of attacking the Soviet Union with first strike nuclear weapons, claiming that the US could win a nuclear war with the USSR, suffering no more that 20 or 30 Million US civilian casualties. Just 30 million Americans! The good general was willing to sacrifice 30 Million of us, and estimated 200 Million Russian civilians.

Of course we are taught to revere these soulless devils as war heros, rather than the genocidal murdering psychopaths that they really were.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:54 PM
 
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To the American's that served in the Pacific Theater in WWII, and to those that served in any theater during that war, thank you for your service. And to the family of Paul Tibbets, the rest of the crew of Enola Gay and to all those involved in the Manhattan Project.

On behalf of every decent person in this country, I would like to apologize for the OPs self-serving hypocrisy and condescension.
Nothing decent about wanton, unnecessary murder of millions of people, regardless of the "excuses" used to justify it.
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