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Old 08-10-2013, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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Who was responsible? Trigger-happy British? Honor-obsessed French? Both?

Attack on Mers-el-Kébir - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 08-10-2013, 10:28 AM
 
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I remember watching something on the history channel (someone can chime in to fine tune this) but one of the allies (England? US?) had to NOT rescue one of its own ships (or something like that) because if it did rescue the ship, it would tip off the Germans that the allies had cracked Germany's secret communication codes.
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Old 08-10-2013, 12:04 PM
 
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sound's like you are talking about the faliure to re -route allied ships during the battle of the atlantic,this is apparently true,Churchill was aware that if to many ships were failing to turn up in parts of the atlantic then the german's would become suspicious..... as far as operation catapult [the siezing of french warships in 1940]this was the only option,the fault of mers el kabir[the attack by the british fleet against the french,resulting in 1,300 french dead] lays with the french admirals not the british,this was and is a very regretable incident between our countrys..................another forgotten incident was towards the end of ww2 in Syria/lebenon the french embarked on a massacre of the local population and it was only the threat of force by the british that this ended.......it is also worth bearing in mind the french threatened to open fire on the Americans after their liberation

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Old 08-10-2013, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Up above the world so high!
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Who was responsible? Trigger-happy British? Honor-obsessed French? Both?

Attack on Mers-el-Kébir - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sadly friendly fire seems to occur in every war.

When I saw your thread title I thought you might have been referring to the DDay rehearsal called Operation Tiger at Slapton Sands which claimed almost 1000 American lives

Operation Tiger: D-Day's Disastrous Rehearsal : NPR
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Old 08-11-2013, 01:20 AM
 
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There was a two page thread about this very subject back in February:

The British Attack on Mers-el-Kebir
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Old 08-13-2013, 08:36 AM
 
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I thought the British asked the French to turn the ships over to them so the Germans could not claim them since this was after the fall of France. And the British told the French if they did not surrender the ships they would have to sink or disable them. Ron
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Old 08-13-2013, 09:04 AM
 
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I thought the British asked the French to turn the ships over to them so the Germans could not claim them since this was after the fall of France. And the British told the French if they did not surrender the ships they would have to sink or disable them. Ron
Basically. The thread TonyT linked contained some very good discussion and details on what happened and the reasons for and against the action. There was a decent amount of miscommunication between the British and French commanders on the scene and there is ample reason to question the necessity of the action as detailed by TonyT in his posts in the thread. My view was one of pragmatism where I think Churchill did what he felt he needed to at that moment.
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Old 08-13-2013, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Default Did the British turn guns on their Allies in WWII?

It really just boils down to the French being a bunch of wieners and the British finally realizing things were really bad and it was not a good time to be 'effing around.

Still a needless tragedy though...
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Old 08-15-2013, 02:51 PM
 
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When the Americans came near shore in Morocco the French attacked the fleet and the Americans attacked back sinking many French ships and killing many in the process (on both sides).
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Old 08-15-2013, 05:42 PM
 
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When the Americans came near shore in Morocco the French attacked the fleet and the Americans attacked back sinking many French ships and killing many in the process (on both sides).
Those were Vichy French who were aligned with the Nazi's, so they were the enemy. Not friendly fire. This action occurred during Operation Torch, the American amphibious invasion of NW Africa. The purpose of the invasion was to relieve the British in east Africa by a pincer of German forces between American and British lines. The Americans encountered heavy resistance by Vichy French forces, but eventually forced their surrender, but not before destroying many French ships in the process.

The original poster was referring to the British fleet attacking French naval ships to prevent the Nazi's from seizing them following the Fall of France. The British warned the French to surrender. The stubborn French were unwilling to comply, so the British destroyed them.
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