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Old 09-01-2013, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Finally escaped The People's Republic of California
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Jeez there's so many
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Old 09-02-2013, 09:05 AM
 
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The Katyn monument is in New Jersey.

Yes, people should check it out. It's the story of the Polish officers and intellectuals murdered by the Soviet NKVD. If I remember correctly, Lavrenti Beria is the man who ordered the massacre.
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Old 09-02-2013, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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The Plow That Broke the Plains
The Fog of War
All the President's Men
Apollo 13
The Right Stuff
The Atomic Cafe
Tora Tora Tora
Harlan County USA
Milk
The King's Speech
The Queen
Standing in the Shadows of Motown
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Old 09-02-2013, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Henderson, NV, U.S.A.
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Harlan County USA
The King's Speech
HCUSA has a good nf rating, I'll check that one out. Thanks. I liked TKS.
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Old 09-03-2013, 07:10 PM
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Location: Coastal New Jersey
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MightyQueen...may I ask where is that statue??
It's on the Jersey City waterfront by the Exchange Place PATH station. That photo was a little old, because now you can see the new One World Trade Center behind it from that vantage point.

Here we go.

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Old 09-03-2013, 07:20 PM
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The Katyn monument is in New Jersey.

Yes, people should check it out. It's the story of the Polish officers and intellectuals murdered by the Soviet NKVD. If I remember correctly, Lavrenti Beria is the man who ordered the massacre.
Another little factoid (and in keeping with the topic!), Leopold Pfefferberg was a Jew and an officer in the Polish Army when the Nazis and the Soviets split up Poland. The officers had to decide whether to go east or west. He once said that if he had gone east, he would have been killed with the others at Katyn.

Instead he ended up in a prison camp. He was able to get passes to leave from time to time, and he would visit his mother, who was working as an interior decorator for Oskar Schindler. Pfefferberg survived the war as one of the Schindlerjuden, ended up in LA, and was the person who pushed for the Schindler's story to be told, eventually convincing the Australian author whose book would later be adapted to make the movie Schindler's List.
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Old 09-03-2013, 10:26 PM
 
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It's on the Jersey City waterfront by the Exchange Place PATH station. That photo was a little old, because now you can see the new One World Trade Center behind it from that vantage point.
Thx. Time for a pilgrimage. Just a comment on Katyn.

Today there still exists the unresolved issue of a lack of specific documents indicating the precise motives for criminally shooting the Polish officers. But historians suggest the following reasons for the killings: the Soviets viewed the Poles as enemies of the Soviet Union, their extermination would get rid of the Polish elite and it was believed that the Polish officers would not convert to 'Soviet' attitudes. The most common view was the rationale of the 'elite where Stalin viewed them with distrust against a possible future independent Polish state. It was there they would be the leaders.
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Old 09-05-2013, 09:19 PM
 
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Another little factoid (and in keeping with the topic!), Leopold Pfefferberg was a Jew and an officer in the Polish Army when the Nazis and the Soviets split up Poland. The officers had to decide whether to go east or west. He once said that if he had gone east, he would have been killed with the others at Katyn.

Instead he ended up in a prison camp. He was able to get passes to leave from time to time, and he would visit his mother, who was working as an interior decorator for Oskar Schindler. Pfefferberg survived the war as one of the Schindlerjuden, ended up in LA, and was the person who pushed for the Schindler's story to be told, eventually convincing the Australian author whose book would later be adapted to make the movie Schindler's List.
Thanks for that.

Lavrenty Beria was Jewish, and many Polish Jews welcomed the Soviets.
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Old 09-06-2013, 02:43 AM
 
Location: South of Oz & North of Shangri-La
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I have a number that I find myself revisiting:
1776
Patton
A Bridge Too Far
The Life of Emil Zola
All the President's Men
The Story of Louis Pasteur

Absolute favorite would be "1776", with "Patton" as runner-up. We watch a lot of movies with historical settings, but we're more often drawn to documentaries.
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Old 09-06-2013, 07:56 AM
 
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Thx. Time for a pilgrimage. Just a comment on Katyn.

Today there still exists the unresolved issue of a lack of specific documents indicating the precise motives for criminally shooting the Polish officers. But historians suggest the following reasons for the killings: the Soviets viewed the Poles as enemies of the Soviet Union, their extermination would get rid of the Polish elite and it was believed that the Polish officers would not convert to 'Soviet' attitudes. The most common view was the rationale of the 'elite where Stalin viewed them with distrust against a possible future independent Polish state. It was there they would be the leaders.
What you explain here IS the exact motive. Wasn't that resolved since day one? If I have it correctly, many of the NKVD officers that shot the Poles fled to Israel after WW2.
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