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Where are the Knowledgeable Jewish individuals concerned for the truth with regards to the land Of 'Palestine'. Recently I have engaged in some friendly debate with a an individual I met at a local Gym whom we will call 'Muhammed',an individual that I have known for almost 4 yrs and consider a friend. the two of us started out discussing Israeli's recent bombing's of missile's headed to Lebanon from inside Syria. The conversation quickly turned into a debate on Israel's legitimacy within the land of Palestine, while I maintained Israel's right to there homeland Muhammed urged me to research these 'European Jews' because they are 'not even from Palestine but rather Germany and Russia. Familiar with the argument that the Palestinians and not the Jews were the true inhabitants of the ancient land of Judea and Samaria i tried to convince my friend that Israel was indeed the Jews and did not belong originally to the Palestinians.
I want help getting my facts straight!, I know the Jews are the original inhabitants of the land of 'Palestine'. I was not familiar with the argument that the Jews that are there today are not the same Jews that dispersed from there and that the Jews of today are in fact Khazars. I have researched this myself to an extent but cant specifically wrap my mind around the info, as it is that they seem to be saying that the Ashkenazi Jews of Europe are indeed of middle eastern decent(Israel) stemming 2500 yrs B.C but yet in the same sentence are from modern day Iraq.
Please anyone knowledgeable, Jew or Gentile. Help me to get my story straight!!!.
After the Holocaust the Jews certainly merited some sort of homeland where they could coalesce for mutual defense and prosperity seeking.
That they merited the specific spot where their ancestors once lived, based on an ancient theological claim of ownership, is a different issue.
We should have brought them to the US and given them a section of Utah as their homeland. It is mostly desert there, just like Israel, and there would have been the added benefit of them serving as a counter balance to the Mormon domination of the state.
Plunking them down in the middle of the Islamic world and evicting the current Islamic residents was a horrible idea.
After the Holocaust the Jews certainly merited some sort of homeland where they could coalesce for mutual defense and prosperity seeking.
That they merited the specific spot where their ancestors once lived, based on an ancient theological claim of ownership, is a different issue.
We should have brought them to the US and given them a section of Utah as their homeland. It is mostly desert there, just like Israel, and there would have been the added benefit of them serving as a counter balance to the Mormon domination of the state.
Plunking them down in the middle of the Islamic world and evicting the current Islamic residents was a horrible idea.
The United states has already consumed 40% of the worlds Jews. The Utah desert comment is very creative, Lol. Good day to you and god bless.
After the Holocaust the Jews certainly merited some sort of homeland where they could coalesce for mutual defense and prosperity seeking.
That they merited the specific spot where their ancestors once lived, based on an ancient theological claim of ownership, is a different issue.
We should have brought them to the US and given them a section of Utah as their homeland. It is mostly desert there, just like Israel, and there would have been the added benefit of them serving as a counter balance to the Mormon domination of the state.
Plunking them down in the middle of the Islamic world and evicting the current Islamic residents was a horrible idea.
Friend with all do respect, thats where they are originally from. So it is only right and the only conceivable place to put them. I find it funny that every immigrant that come's to the United states thinks they ought to be welcomed in and even made financially stable for a time including and not limited to these middle easterners, but when it comes time for them to welcome in outsiders(jews) they cause wars and fire rockets at innocent citizens. Here in the U.S. our immigrants that work hard and contribute to our society are welcomed in with open arms, were as the jews in Israel literally create the only economy in 'Palestine' and are still hated.
Whats funny is that popular opinion can replace a true claim to a homeland.
What was being mocked was the idea that the Jews were somehow or other the original inhabitants of Palestine.
Not even the Old Testament claims that. Didn't you read Exodus? In what is supposed to be the direct instructions from Yahweh concerning the entrance to and occupation of the "promised land" you find:
"For my angel will go before you and bring to the Amorites, the Hittites, and the Jebusites whom I will eliminate."(23:23-24)
If the Hebrews were the original occupants, why did Yahweh need to wipe out those other groups who apparently were squatting there and unaware that the land had been promised to another group?
Anyway, the Hebrews went in and after the requisite amount of righteous slaughter, they became the occupants.
What was being mocked was the idea that the Jews were somehow or other the original inhabitants of Palestine.
Not even the Old Testament claims that. Didn't you read Exodus? In what is supposed to be the direct instructions from Yahweh concerning the entrance to and occupation of the "promised land" you find:
"For my angel will go before you and bring to the Amorites, the Hittites, and the Jebusites whom I will eliminate."(23:23-24)
If the Hebrews were the original occupants, why did Yahweh need to wipe out those other groups who apparently were squatting there and unaware that the land had been promised to another group?
Anyway, the Hebrews went in and after the requisite amount of righteous slaughter, they became the occupants.
The Canaanite's are the people the OT speaks of God 'wiping out', those people unlike the Jews traced to the land of Palestine cannot be traced back to the land, while the Jews from europe and the ones from the middle east can be traced back to the land of Judea and Samaria some 2500 yrs before Christ. I'm not talking biblical claims, im talking archeologists and people that trace DNA...i asked to have this cleared up because within all my research i cant find an indepth time period the descendants of the now ashkenazi Jews(european jews) resided in Israel. All it says is that these people are from the land that is now 'Palestine' 2500yrs B.C..
You are absolutely right with regards to what the OT says on it,...only archeologists cant trace a people today that were those Canaanites that God removed from the land, they believe the Canaanites are a extinct people.
Im speaking on who modern science put as the original inhabitants of the land of 'Palestine', the debate is between Palestinians and jews.
It does seem quite complicated - Ashkenazi is Mediaeval Hebrew for Germany, Khazars were Turkic Jews from Eastern Europe and the Sephardim are from Iberia. My understanding is that the original inhabitants of Palestine were a mix of Jews and Palestinians, with the Jews in a majority until the arrival of the Romans, when a lot of Jews fled to Babylon & Baghdad, then dissipating from there, with many ending up in the Rhineland (the Ashkenazi) & from thence many migrating East - can't find any record of whether they integrated with the Khazars. I suspect they may well be a mix of peoples.
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