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Old 01-02-2008, 04:44 PM
 
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To me: Patriotism is more of an idea, thought, or feeling. Nationalism is the act of patriotism, it is the song, folklore, etc. etc. that one can express their patriotism. But keep in mind, this is just my opinion.

As for socialism, to me socialism = communism and there is very little to separate the two. Ever wonder why communism doesn't exist for long? Cause power corrupts. Socialism is another form of communism and the elite few wield the true power. America is the land of of corrupted politics, it serves the politicians well to move to a socialist society. They control the few at the expense of many. Socialism like communism can never really exist in an ideal state because it is human nature to be corrupted by power... so in the end, it is my firm belief that socialism = BIG time badness... and America is trying to become a socialist government. It is the elite billionaires who are spouting out socialized health care, socialized retirement, and socialized this and that who are the most likely to make the biggest gain, although you wouldn't know it as it is in a guise to fool you... after all, look at all the "poor" uninsured kids... what that they couldn't do now, they can only hope to do at a later time... I believe the constitution saw this already and was put there to prevent it... however our politicians are trampling it more every day, who has more to gain by doing that exactly? Well, its just my opinion... I love it when they say, we are doing this for YOUR own good... not that it helps us any... right, people in power are always so nice and helpful, especially the easily corrupted ones...
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Old 01-09-2008, 02:56 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Well, its just my opinion... I love it when they say, we are doing this for YOUR own good... not that it helps us any... right, people in power are always so nice and helpful, especially the easily corrupted ones...
I don't believe that power corrupts.
But I sure do believe that power will always attract the easily corruptible.
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Old 01-09-2008, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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As I studied the isms, I found that in socialism, there is an authoritarian structure, but under communism, you work according to your ability and take according to your needs, it's not divvied up by an authority ... everyone works together collectively. Communism, as Marx & Engels theorized, has never existed. So, there is a big difference between the 2 societal structures.

As for power corrupting. Depends really. I don't think that power has corrupted Bill Gates or Warren Buffet, but it has further corrupted the already corrupted who are in charge of this country.
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Old 01-11-2008, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Read a new book called "Liberal Facism" It address's how close the 4 big isms really are
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Old 03-05-2008, 10:46 AM
 
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Fascists are socialists, Nazis are fascists, Nazis are socialists. Buncha damn lefties...

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Social democracy is a political ideology that emerged in the late 19th century out of the socialist movement...
One way to delineate between social democratic parties (or movements) and democratic socialist ones, would be to think of social democracy as moving left from capitalism and democratic socialism as moving right from Marxism...
the Bolsheviks and other Marxist-Leninist parties ultimately adopted a strategy of publicly denouncing social democrats as "social fascists."
Social democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Social fascism was a theory supported by the Communist International (Comintern) during the late 1920s and early 1930s, which stated that social democracy was a variant of fascism.
...international social democracy is a wing of fascism. This view was accepted by Joseph Stalin who described fascism and social democracy as "twin brothers".
Social fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 03-05-2008, 02:11 PM
 
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To me: Patriotism is more of an idea, thought, or feeling. Nationalism is the act of patriotism, it is the song, folklore, etc. etc. that one can express their patriotism. But keep in mind, this is just my opinion.

As for socialism, to me socialism = communism and there is very little to separate the two. Ever wonder why communism doesn't exist for long? Cause power corrupts. Socialism is another form of communism and the elite few wield the true power. America is the land of of corrupted politics, it serves the politicians well to move to a socialist society. They control the few at the expense of many. Socialism like communism can never really exist in an ideal state because it is human nature to be corrupted by power... so in the end, it is my firm belief that socialism = BIG time badness... and America is trying to become a socialist government. It is the elite billionaires who are spouting out socialized health care, socialized retirement, and socialized this and that who are the most likely to make the biggest gain, although you wouldn't know it as it is in a guise to fool you... after all, look at all the "poor" uninsured kids... what that they couldn't do now, they can only hope to do at a later time... I believe the constitution saw this already and was put there to prevent it... however our politicians are trampling it more every day, who has more to gain by doing that exactly? Well, its just my opinion... I love it when they say, we are doing this for YOUR own good... not that it helps us any... right, people in power are always so nice and helpful, especially the easily corrupted ones...
What??? Sorry, but this is way off...socialism the exact opposite of what you make it out to be. Socialism benefits the lower class, definitely not elite billionaires, by raising income taxes for the elite and lowering them for the less fortunate. And there is a great difference between socialism and communism. In a communist society, the government owns everything and citizens own no capital. With socialism, citizens may own capital, though it is still regulated.

As for the question at hand, no, the Nazis were definitely not Socialists; they were fascists; they encouraged the advancement of a superior race, while the philosophy behind socialism is human equality.
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Old 03-05-2008, 05:13 PM
 
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With socialism, citizens may own capital, though it is still regulated.
That form of socialism is called fascism - Mussolini's Third Way.

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Mussolini pushed for government control of business: by 1935, Mussolini claimed that three quarters of Italian businesses were under state control. That same year, he issued several edicts to further control the economy, including forcing all banks, businesses, and private citizens to give up all their foreign-issued stocks and bonds to the Bank of Italy. In 1938, he also instituted wage and price controls.
Benito Mussolini - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 03-05-2008, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Drury Lane
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To me: Patriotism is more of an idea, thought, or feeling. Nationalism is the act of patriotism, it is the song, folklore, etc. etc. that one can express their patriotism. But keep in mind, this is just my opinion.

As for socialism, to me socialism = communism and there is very little to separate the two. Ever wonder why communism doesn't exist for long? Cause power corrupts. Socialism is another form of communism and the elite few wield the true power. America is the land of of corrupted politics, it serves the politicians well to move to a socialist society. They control the few at the expense of many. Socialism like communism can never really exist in an ideal state because it is human nature to be corrupted by power... so in the end, it is my firm belief that socialism = BIG time badness... and America is trying to become a socialist government. It is the elite billionaires who are spouting out socialized health care, socialized retirement, and socialized this and that who are the most likely to make the biggest gain, although you wouldn't know it as it is in a guise to fool you... after all, look at all the "poor" uninsured kids... what that they couldn't do now, they can only hope to do at a later time... I believe the constitution saw this already and was put there to prevent it... however our politicians are trampling it more every day, who has more to gain by doing that exactly? Well, its just my opinion... I love it when they say, we are doing this for YOUR own good... not that it helps us any... right, people in power are always so nice and helpful, especially the easily corrupted ones...
I disagree and am calling you on confusing these two "ism's" King of Kweens commented on that well enough. To his comments I'll add, communism is on the far left, socialism is in the middle and capitalism is on the right. Remember these are economic 'ism's' whereas fascism is a political ideology. Communism is a political ideology because the government owns all the means of production thus it's an economic system as well. Try to separate political and economic systems when discussing these ideas if for no other reason than to not confuse others.

If socialism is so bad then do you think that FDR's New Deal programs were trampling on the constitution? Sure, many of the programs were cancelled several years later but you've probably heard of the FDIC, SEC, Tennesse Valley River Authority and the Federal Housing Administration. Oh, can't forget social security.

Basically, if the government provides the service and you pay for it through taxes then that is socialism....public education, road construction, police and fire protection are a couple other good examples. Many of the things that we take for granted are connected with socialism. I'll leave the healthcare thing alone.

You sound as if politicians speaking about 'socialism' is a new thing and a poisonous one at that but as an American citizen you benefit from it in many ways.
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Old 03-06-2008, 04:06 AM
 
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The Nazis werent that bad. They just didnt like jews!!
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