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Old 11-16-2013, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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The Cold War
Actually, Russia was lost to the Soviets in 1917, and then the Soviet Union lost the Cold War and the country was reclaimed by Russia, with the aid of the victors in the Cold War.

A hypothetical analogy would be the South defeating the Union in the Civil War, and then the defeated Northern States, with the aid of some meddlesome foreign power, expelling Confederate influence, repealing Confederate law, and restoring the original US Constitution.
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Old 11-16-2013, 03:11 PM
 
Location: LA, CA/ In This Time and Place
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The Russo-Turkish war 1877-1878
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Old 11-16-2013, 03:16 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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Russia also lost WW1. The Treaty of Brest Litovsk was humiliating. If the Bolshevik Revolution did not occur, this loss would have been avoided.
Yes, but only if Russia would have managed to hold on for an additional several months.
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Old 11-16-2013, 03:31 PM
 
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Russia lost the Livonian War (1558-1583)

lost the Polish-Muscovite War (1605-1618)

Ingrian War (against Sweden) (1610-1617)

First Russo-Ottoman War (1676-1681)

War of Austrian Succession (1740-1748)

They negotiated a favorable peace but were allies with the losers in the Seven Years' War

They were part of the coalition defeated in the War of the Second Coalition

War of the Third Coalition

War of the Fourth Coalition

Crimean War (hasn't anybody mentioned this one yet?)

Russo-Japanese War

They were effectively defeated in World War I

Polish Soviet War (1919-1921)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...volving_Russia
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Old 11-16-2013, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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Doesn't seem like we are, either...
"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
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Old 11-16-2013, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."


We are doomed from the get go.
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Old 11-16-2013, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Doesn't seem like we are, either...
No, the Russians didn't even have to play by the same clean rules we do and they couldn't beat the people in that region. How do you defeat people who have centuries of being at war experience and who think nothing of strapping a bomb to themselves or their families in the name of religion ? No one can win against people who think like that.

Don
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Old 11-16-2013, 09:29 PM
 
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Russia also lost WW1. The Treaty of Brest Litovsk was humiliating. If the Bolshevik Revolution did not occur, this loss would have been avoided.
Russia never should have entered WWI, and had it not been for the humiliation of losing to Japan several years prior and a few other dumb reasons (like Nicholas II being egged on by Kaiser Wilhelm II, who had his own motives for going to war), the Czar may have been able to remain on his throne and the Romanovs not ended their days down those mine shafts.

If the Czar had not mobilized his army things may also have not gone from the fry pan into the fire.
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Old 11-16-2013, 09:32 PM
 
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One main advantage that helped Russia in both war with Napoleon and Germany (WWII) was the sudden and often unpredictable onset of harsh Russian winters. Neither France or Germany prepared for such an event and or assumed they would have carried the day long before conditions set in.
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Old 11-16-2013, 10:42 PM
 
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Doesn't seem like we are, either...
Yes, but amidst all that 'war' we've enabled Opium (Heroin) production to go from 185 tons in 2001 to 5800 tons in 2012. That's an accomplishment is it not? Makes one wonder what exactly are we over there for? Especially since I never recall hearing anywhere that the so called "War On Drugs" was over or did I miss that one somewhere in a AP newswire buried in the back pages??

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/13/wo...sing.html?_r=0
Record Opium Poppy Acreage Means Victory Is Just Around The Corner (As Usual) - Forbes
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