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Old 11-17-2013, 12:55 AM
 
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Yes, but only if Russia would have managed to hold on for an additional several months.
WWI was the last gasp of kings *thinking* they could run a war and of military largely composed of an officer and higher ranks largely in place due to birth or connections.

Imperial Russia was a feudal country with a largely backwards military from top on down. During WWI things only went from bad to worse when the Czar assumed direct command. From that moment on it was only a matter of time.

Social unrest had been growing through Russia during much of Nicholas II's reign, and it was hoped as before a war would set things right or at least give the people something else to think about. It didn't work out that way.

What Russia has historically always had was huge numbers of men that could be pressed into military service, willingly or not. Thus the Russian army for instance could take vast losses and continue coming at the enemy.

Being mostly of backwards or ignorant background peasants or later Soviet military would willingly fight "invaders" of Mother Russia or the Soviet Union. Russians had long been considered barbarians by much of the rest of Europe, and their fighting during war often proved this to others. It was with good reason Germans began fleeing eastern territory when word of advancing Russian military began to reach their ears.

By the way it was Germany that poured petrol on the Bolshevik Revolution by literally starting the thing in packing Lenin off to Russia (in a sealed) train. Though it did not go exactly as planned in the end Germany got what it wanted; Czar cleared off, and Russia out of WWI. That this also lead to the murder of the Czar, his family and any other Romanovs that Lenin could lay hands on probably was not in the calculations.
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Old 11-17-2013, 02:40 PM
 
Location: NW Indiana
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You might also consider the conflict in Afganistan a lost war.
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Old 11-17-2013, 03:26 PM
 
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Russia has lost most of its war.
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Old 11-18-2013, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Kharkiv, Ukraine
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You might also consider the conflict in Afganistan a lost war.
It do not agree. The Soviet Army has executed tasks and could and carry out further police functions up to the full control over Afghanistan. Defeat was political and was expressed in loss of interest of the Soviet government to Afghan.
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Old 11-18-2013, 10:50 AM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Just curious on this one. I'm thinking maybe the Mongol hordes in 1392, some have even suggested vikings, but were these actual conquests? Has Moscow ever fallen?
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Russia lost the Livonian War (1558-1583)

lost the Polish-Muscovite War (1605-1618)

Ingrian War (against Sweden) (1610-1617)

First Russo-Ottoman War (1676-1681)

War of Austrian Succession (1740-1748)

They negotiated a favorable peace but were allies with the losers in the Seven Years' War

They were part of the coalition defeated in the War of the Second Coalition

War of the Third Coalition

War of the Fourth Coalition

Crimean War (hasn't anybody mentioned this one yet?)

Russo-Japanese War

They were effectively defeated in World War I

Polish Soviet War (1919-1921)


List of wars involving Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I am guessing that Moscow fell to the Mongols. Moscow also fell to Napoleon, although the Russians ultimately won that war and had a huge part of the Allied victory.

Russia has a long history and sits surrounded and exposed in Eurasia, so of course she has lost many wars - and won many others. Red has a good list. Probably the biggest defeat of course, was the Mongol invasion.
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Old 11-18-2013, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Type 0.7 Kardashev
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It do not agree. The Soviet Army has executed tasks and could and carry out further police functions up to the full control over Afghanistan. Defeat was political and was expressed in loss of interest of the Soviet government to Afghan.
Thus, it was a defeat.

Military operations are merely one means toward an end. They can be successful in and of themselves and the war itself is still a failure for other reasons.

The goals of the USSR in invading Afghanistan was to initially shore up the government of the communist Democratic Republic of Afghanistan and as a long-term goal to make that government viable against nationalist and Islamic opposition groups - the former goal merely being a necessary precursor to the latter, primary goal. Once the Soviets withdrew in 1988, the government had to survive on its own. It managed to do so capably for a couple of years, but after that it was on the defensive, and collapsed in another two years. It simply could not survive on its own, the Soviet goal of defeating the opposition on a long-term basis having failed.

"War is the continuation of Politik by other means"
-Clausewiz

The politik in question failed. The war behind that politik was thus a failure.

See also:
Britain in the American War of Independence
United States in the Vietnam War
Israel in the Yom Kippur War
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Old 11-18-2013, 01:05 PM
 
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The Russians aren't exactly renowned for winning wars. At least not that I've ever heard. They haven't been conquered very often, but they don't boast a winning "record" like the U.S.
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Old 11-18-2013, 01:10 PM
 
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Really, if Napoleon hadn't gotten greedy in 1812 and invaded, then Russia would have lost the war at Austerlitz.
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Old 11-18-2013, 01:11 PM
 
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The Russians aren't exactly renowned for winning wars. At least not that I've ever heard. They haven't been conquered very often, but they don't boast a winning "record" like the U.S.
Russians win wars for their national survival.
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Old 11-18-2013, 01:19 PM
 
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I doubt Russia could claim a victory in Afghanistan.
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