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Old 11-21-2013, 07:53 PM
 
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Of course they're not exactly correct - no comparisons of wars are exact. But those are all examples of wars in which the dominant military power that won most of the battles nonetheless lost the war.

The fact that the Soviets decided, years into their quagmire, that the goal was no longer worth the effort hardly negates the fact that they failed to achieve that goal.
What does it mean "it hardly negates?" Of course it negates it - if someone decides that the goal is not worth the effort, it's not a failure in the same manner as in when the goal is still desired, but is simply impossible to reach.


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In fact, that is how most wars end. Few wars are conflicts that culminate with one power utterly defeated, destroyed, and conquered by the other power - most wars end when one side decides it has had enough and quits and walks away, if it can cleanly do so, or cuts a deal and accepts some sort of sanction(s) short of the absolute destruction of the state.
Care to bring examples?
I don't see how such approach is possible in European theater at least, when "one side decides that it has had enough and quits and walks away."
Europe doesn't provide with too much space for just "walking away" for the parties involved.
Now if it's the war somewhere in colonial lands basically, away from the lands of major powers, than such approach of "walking away" is possible. However in this case you'll have to distinguish between the cases when the goal is still desirable but unattainable, and the cases when the goal itself is losing importance. The latter was exactly a case with Afghanistan for the Soviets.
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Old 11-21-2013, 08:02 PM
 
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if u mean by lose do u mean invaded occupied and utterly conquered? except for mongols no. their strongest ally is their winter.
and vodka comrade...
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Old 11-22-2013, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Kharkiv, Ukraine
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Britain in the American War of Independence
United States in the Vietnam War
Israel in the Yom Kippur War
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I completely agree. Saying the Russians did not lose in Afganistan is like me saying the US did not lose in Vietnam.

Probably it will seem strange, but I do not consider, that the USA have lost war in Vietnam. Lost war the Southern Vietnam, but not US. As to Afghanistan practically any(!) country of the West can grasp it, even Ukraine with its collapsed army. But does not do it because it is senseless. Afghanistan (at Talibs) in turn very much wished to grasp neighbouring countries, but it was pure military loss, without policy.
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